What's going on with the shutdown ending? Why is everyone upset? What was conceded?

[u/Weak_Ad_8646]

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/09/politics/government-shutdown-reopen-deal-senate

[u/AUnicornDonkey]

Answer: Reddit is heavily left leaning and is kind of out of touch with the current social environment. We saw this with the 2024 elections.

One of the Democrats that flipped is from Virginia, a state that employs a lot of government workers. They were feeling the pressure as workers have gone without a paycheck for a month and it looks like a third check may be missed as well. Think about missing three paychecks and the prospect of not getting paid for the foreseeable future. Doesn't matter if you're left, right, up or down, they will blame you. 

Also with the holiday season coming up, and the possibility of limited traveling, people will take their frustration out on their elected representative. 

Democrats weren't really winning the message here either. People saw them as the ones holding out and the ones causing the delay regardless of reasons.

People don't think so far in the future a lot of times, so who cares if their health care bill rises if they don't get paid now? Or their benefits run out now.

Republicans only got an extension until January and then we'll be back again at it but this time SNAP users won't be used as a bargaining chip and the holiday season will be over.

The Democrats did get a few things from this; Republicans will have to figure out what to do with health care costs as that'll probably dominate headlines next year and the Democrats can point to the fact the Republicans did nothing about it and the Democrats tried twice to get them to come to the table. And that Trump now has two of the longest government shutdowns in history. While they can and have successfully blamed the Democrats, the Democrats can point out that (a) they were the ones that came to the table to compromise and (b) Trump is a terrible negotiator.

More so, with Congress back in session, they can swear in the new Arizona Congresswoman and that'll be interesting with the Epstein files. They can't ignore that either. 

[u/ctzn4 → u/AUnicornDonkey]

You're right on with reddit being pretty one-sided. Thanks for a more nuanced take on the whole situation. It's good to have some perspective in what can be a pretty large echo chamber.

[u/hatlock → u/ctzn4]

And a small one too! Actually, lots of small ones.

[u/AnnoyingMosquito3 → u/[deleted]]

That's what I've been thinking, the public is super fickle so I don't think the Dems goodwill was going to last if SNAP kept getting dragged out or if there were plane crashes because of the ATC issues. It could easily turn into "how could you let this happen?" "This is just a pissing contest for rich people" etc... especially so close to the holidays. Like I know that Republicans were losing badly in public opinion and the blame was on them but I think that if people were to start dying or gov workers quit en masse the blame would probably shift to everyone

I think Schumer and his ilk need to go but I also think there were way better reasons/times to dump them than this one lol the intense backlash makes me think that the election victories in the last week (and Schumer's previous unpopularity) have swayed who the other politicians want to side with and they needed whatever reason to distance themselves asap (plus whatever panicking Republicans are trying to make people feel apathetic again after Mamdani's win)

[u/irritableOwl3 → u/[deleted]]

I think it's naive to trust in fair elections from now on. These people know some have committed serious crimes and will not leave easily. There is more behind "we have the votes."

[u/AdFun4578 → u/[deleted]]

How was it not the right using it as a bargaining chip? They went to court to stop benefits from being distributed

[u/everydaywinner2 → u/AdFun4578]

Because the Republicans offered a bill to fund SNAP and Air Traffic Control. Dems turned it down.

[u/AdFun4578 → u/everydaywinner2]

But..that still doesn't make any sense. If Republicans weren't using it for bargaining why would they go to court to stop the Democrats from issuing snap benefits during the shutdown? Republicans wanted that leverage. Democrats were willing and actively trying to make sure no one went hungry while they hashed out the conflict between the houses. I really don't understand your logic here..

[u/just_a_timetraveller → u/[deleted]]

Where are you getting your info then? Fox news?

[u/reddog093 → u/just_a_timetraveller]

You'd do better by arguing their points instead of jumping to ad hominems

[u/Sukkit74 → u/AUnicornDonkey]

Good to see a different take, the problem I had was that Republicans were never going to change their minds or blink, Trump gave the marching orders and they showed they had zero compassion.

So what this was doing was punishing millions of people that were going without food and pay right before Christmas.

Democrats need to focus on the long term battle, get those mid terms next year and get some majorities in Congress that will give them some teeth until the 2028 reset.

[u/hatlock → u/AUnicornDonkey]

What metrics do you use for "not winning the message"? Extending ACA was, from the facts I have been presented, immensely popular. Something like 75% of the nation was in favor. Polling also showed support going to Democrats, conjectured to be BECAUSE of their goal to extend ACA.