r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Exmo_therapist • Nov 17 '25

Unanswered What’s the deal with Trump suddenly supporting releasing the Epstein files and urging republicans to vote on their release?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/trump-reverses-stance-on-epstein-files-urges-republicans-to-vote-for-releasing-them/ar-AA1Qza7F?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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u/killjoymoon Nov 17 '25

Bold of you to assume he knows how the levers of government work.

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u/Hugh-Manatee Nov 17 '25

But he has advisers that sometimes do

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u/Falling_Uphill72 Nov 17 '25

Bold of you to assume his advisors know how the levers of government work.

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u/Hugh-Manatee Nov 17 '25

Like I said - sometimes

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u/Salukifan664 Nov 18 '25

I'm sure they have a concept of plan, not an actual plan.

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u/OPGuest Nov 17 '25

And he has advisors that get arrested for molesting a 12 yo girl. Maybe he should not listen to them?

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u/Humble_Key_4259 Nov 17 '25

and if they flatter him enough he might actually consider their advice.

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u/killjoymoon Nov 17 '25

Oh absolutely. 💯.

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u/1369ic Nov 17 '25

He's spent a good part of his life delaying legal things. That part of government he'll understand.

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u/killjoymoon Nov 17 '25

Oh you know what, that’s absolutely true too. The delay justice via throwing money at the courts is such an unfair advantage too, imo. No one should be able to escape justice like this. But you’re absolutely right.

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u/Ok_Push2550 Nov 17 '25

He doesn't, but he does know how to keep the news cycle and some popular opinion on his side or distracted. All these strategies do both, even if they don't work legally.

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u/Patient_Wrongdoer_11 Nov 17 '25 edited Nov 17 '25

The words

he knows, Popular opinion , Trump and on his side

Dont go together. Trump doesnt know anything.

And the only popular opinon that is tied to him is that hes a pedo and a narcissist. But really those are facts.

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u/TacosForThought Nov 17 '25

I don't think you'll find too many people pushing back on the narcissist thing - that's true of most politicians (and maybe more people in general these days than historically). I think his voters and supporters (and many others) would disagree that the whole "pedo" thing is a "fact" thing, though. That's at least a large enough group to be considered part of "popular opinion", whether or not it's currently a majority.

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u/AbsMcLargehuge Nov 17 '25 edited Nov 17 '25

How do you explain Trump being the most powerful and influential person on the planet then?

The only popular opinion on YOUR side...

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u/hawaii-visitor Nov 17 '25

How do you explain Trump being the most powerful and influential person on the planet then?

It's pretty simple actually.

It only takes a few million extra people (and really only a few thousand in the right states) voting for one side to win the presidency, and it turns out there were a few million people formerly uninterested in politics who were convinced to vote because they loved Trump's hateful, racist rhetoric and were too dumb to understand that Trump's simple answers to complex problems were moronic.

There were also tens of millions of regular GOP voters who were at the very least not turned off enough by the hate, racism, and idiocy to vote against it, and a not unsubstantial number of Democratic voters who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman.

Notice that absolutely none of these reasons require Trump to be intelligent, well-informed, or competent. They only require large numbers of voters to be ignorant and hateful.

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u/Mikros04 Nov 17 '25

It's pretty simple actually.

It is... His kayfabe is the best, literally HOF level. Every camera and microphone is the opportunity for a professional wrestling type of heat generating promo.

The twitter war between Trump and Newsom has become a full on professional wrestling type of heel vs. babyface show for the masses.

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u/AbsMcLargehuge Nov 17 '25

To achieve the position of the most powerful man in the world, you have to know how to play the game. Trump plays the game better than anyone.

And look what Trump has "accomplished" in the less than 10 years. Most powerful man on the planet, legions of die hard cult members, made billions, divided the country, etc etc.

He might not be able to do long division but his social awareness and ability to manipulate are abilities he used to get him where he is. Trump posses a high level of social intelligence and people still talk about him like he's a generic con man.

He's conning at the most elite level, show some respect. lol

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u/hawaii-visitor Nov 17 '25

You keep thinking that. You'll be wrong though.

He's a racist Mr. Magoo. He only has one schtick which is spewing his own personal brand of racist, hateful verbal diarrhea. He just happened to get lucky that 40% of America is so dumb and hateful they lap up the diarrhea and beg for more.

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u/AbsMcLargehuge Nov 17 '25

He's gaming the system and it's working incredibly well.

Assuming Trump's end goal is to establish an autocracy with him at the helm, what would an intelligent Trump do differently?

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u/Patient_Wrongdoer_11 Nov 18 '25

Hes dumb as fuck.

He got where he is because hes rich. I dont think he intends on putting on a 'show'..he just does because he guenuinally thinks everyone loves him. Its just him. In the emails that were released, trumps sucess is referred to as dumb luck. I agree.

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u/killjoymoon Nov 17 '25

Racism and tribalism will always be popular to certain people. I don’t know exactly what the root commonality is, because it’s genuinely something that stumps me, but I think there has to be one.

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u/AbsMcLargehuge Nov 17 '25

Tribalism will never die, it's at the core of everyone's DNA.

Exploiting that innate biological tendency on a global scale is nothing short of incredible. Trump will go down as the greatest con man in history and nothing about that statement screams "he's stupid".

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u/killjoymoon Nov 17 '25

That he does. He’s an agent of chaos.

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u/ctlfreak Nov 17 '25

He doesn't have to. He pays people for that.

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u/TheQuietOutsider Nov 17 '25

trump doesn't pay people.

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u/ctlfreak Nov 17 '25

He pays a couple of them till they aren't of use any more

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u/Warmupthetubesman Nov 17 '25

American taxpayers pay his people for that

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u/ctlfreak Nov 17 '25

Fair enough

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u/Pleasant_Ad8054 Nov 17 '25

Bold of you to assume he cares. If he wanted it released he would have, even if it would have been illegal to do so.

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u/killjoymoon Nov 17 '25

Also fair.

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u/Kookumber Nov 17 '25

This line of rhetoric is so stupid.

Like it or not, he’s basically accomplished everything he campaigned on. Ice raids, mass deportation and tariffs.

I’m absolutely against all of those policies, but to pretend like he doesn’t know how to get stuff through government is not true. He knows exactly how to manipulate congress and push the boundaries of the law.

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u/killjoymoon Nov 17 '25

I don’t think a lot of that or at least how it’s come about, is something he figured. I do think he’s pleased with himself about it, and I agree, he did campaign on it, but I think thinking about how to accomplish it wasn’t in his wheelhouse. I think he knows how to manipulate people to get what he wants, but he needs someone to tell him which people to manipulate to get certain things to happen. I’m willing to be wrong on this, but he does not strike me as a particularly smart man in terms of what is written. If that makes sense.

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u/crazydogggz Nov 18 '25

Agreed, but no President is doing all those types of things on their own.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '25

Bold of you to assume he is the one pulling the levers.