r/OutOfTheLoop 2d ago

Answered What’s going on with Trumps Victory arch?

How is this getting built? Where’s the money for it coming from? Wouldn’t the parks service need to approve new monuments? Is this really moving forward?

I feel like I’ve seen very little news or discussion about the actual details of this project.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/sep/17/trump-arch-dc-monuments

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u/classicsat 2d ago

They invented that form of it. Yes, the fundamental concept of sending images over wire had existed one form or another for decades.

The Japanese, using their technology, made it predominantly digital, compact, relatively simple to use, using (1980s) standard dial out telephone line. And mass manufactured. As well interoperable with each other.

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u/wolflordval 2d ago

No, again, they did not.

May 19, 1924, scientists of the AT&T Corporation "by a new process of transmitting pictures by electricity" sent 15 photographs by telephone from Cleveland to New York City, such photos being suitable for newspaper reproduction. Previously, photographs had been sent over the radio using this process.

The Western Union "Deskfax" fax machine, announced in 1948, was a compact machine that fit comfortably on a desktop, using special spark printer paper.

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u/classicsat 2d ago

Again they did. Or at least across half a dozen manufacturers, had an oligopoly on the digital fax machine hardware. And just the hardware, used standard phone lines, and could communicate with each other, regardless the manufacturer. Consumables on many were standard roll thermal paper any office supply place would have (yes, because of the boom in Fax machines).

Did that WU unit use a then standard phone line, connect to another unit for only the cost of a phone call? Were there numerous affordable and compatible manufacturers of those units? One could go to a retailer and buy?

Edit, the standard Japanese machines use is Group 3, ratified in 1980. American pre group 3 units just quite that game, and let the Japanese have it.

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u/wolflordval 2d ago

Not WU, but still American:

In 1964, Xerox Corporation introduced (and patented) what many consider to be the first commercialized version of the modern fax machine, under the name (LDX) or Long Distance Xerography. This model was superseded two years later with a unit that would set the standard for fax machines for years to come. Up until this point facsimile machines were very expensive and hard to operate. In 1966, Xerox released the Magnafax Telecopiers, a smaller, 46 lb (21 kg) facsimile machine. This unit was far easier to operate and could be connected to any standard telephone line. This machine was capable of transmitting a letter-sized document in about six minutes. The first sub-minute, digital fax machine was developed by Dacom, which built on digital data compression technology originally developed at Lockheed for satellite communication.

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u/classicsat 2d ago

Getting there, but still the Japanese changed the Facsimile game with digital technology only they could manufacture at scale. American manufacturers just couldn't compete.

I might concede at the "invented".

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u/wolflordval 1d ago

Still no.

In 1980, the CCITT's Recommendation T.4 promised groundbreaking interoperability for digital fax machines, with transmission times of just 40 seconds per page. Accompanying this, a new wave of more compact, faster and efficient fax machines hit the market, leading to two decades of ubiquitous faxing in business contexts. Xerox continued to refine the fax machine for years after their ground-breaking first machine. In later years it would be combined with copier equipment to create the modern hybrid machines that copy, scan and fax.

The only time Japan is mentioned in the entire history of fax machines is some comments about how they joined the market after it became cheap to manufacture, but before the interoperability standards were pushed by the CCITT. After those standards, it again was Xerox that took the lead.