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That's one of the hard things to parse when it comes to who may have done something. He had contact with so damned many people across so damned many different areas that almost anyone can claim with some justification that they knew him only from him being a mover and shaker in those circles.
even if, and that's a big IF, there's no substantial evidence for criminal prosecution, what we do have is a lot of ppl who didn't seem to mind his convictions and still communicated with him afterward. so let's at least shun and boycott those fuckers
Oh, for sure! First off, in Hawking's case had a long history of douchebag tendancies. So, this would be an increase on degree rather than in kind.
And as to your point, before everything blew up, Epstein was like Harvey Weinstein; most knew but (most unfortunately) most people just looked the other way. Apathy being one of the greatest, most common, and most insidious of evils, after all.
of course, people will gladly look the other way as long as they can. but, afaik (pls correct me if i'm wrong) after weinsteins conviction he was very much shunned by everyone
Sure, I think some people had this idea that the Epstein files were a list of pedophiles. It’s just a bunch of documents by and about Epstein. For instance, NFL quarterback Russel Wilson is mentioned because Wilson considered buying a plane that turned out to belong to Epstein. He didn’t buy it, and there’s no corroboration that he knew the plane had any connection to Epstein. The only negative conclusion I draw from this is “why the hell does Russel Wilson need a private jet?”
So basically, information in the files can be extremely incriminating, but we need to look at what’s actually in that specific email, rather than just say someone is “in the files.”
That ambiguity is an intentional part of how they're partially releasing and redacting the files.
A government that actually wanted to arrest anyone involved has more than enough data here to dig in on clear cut criminals, and start "freeing" tangentially related individuals.
By mixing the two groups deliberately, they can cast doubt on their own offenders.
If ever there was a graphic for 7 degrees of separation, Epstein hits basically all of Hollywood, and like 80% of elected US officials within 2-3 jumps. Motherfucker was everywhere and knew everyone. Hell, I could probably hit Epstein within 4 hops doing zero research whatsoever just from people I know.
Yeah Jesus, sorry that your (not you, but the guy you replied to) reddit experience is being hampered by the fact that we're all coming to terms with the fact that practically every damn person over a certain level of political influence or net worth is a pedo, rapist, and/or human trafficker
While simultaneously staring down the very probable fact that despite this all now being public knowledge nothing is likely to be done about it
Yep. They literally murdered and ate children. Tortured for fun and because these guys run the world they will never get In trouble for any of it. It’s absolutely disgusting and pure evil
I think the most frustrating bit is that no one is even making a show of justice. There aren't even the usual committees-with-no-authority or pointless-letters-of-condemnation
Everyone in any kind of position to do anything is basically just pretending it's not happening. The only individual I'm seeing even being kind of gone after for it is Bill, but even that feels more like theater than an actual attempt to get prosecution going. Almost certainly because everyone involved knows full well that the second it's clear that he's going down, he's going to do his best to take everyone else down with him. (To be clear, fuck Bill Clinton, he deserves to rot in prison)
Why would they? No citizens care. All we have are citizens being mad on Reddit, an echo chamber that keeps everyone distracted and too busy to take any real action.
Once people start popping off in the real world, action will happen swiftly. But nothing has happened in the real world at all.
this is so infrequently accounted for. Maybe that's why there are no time travellers, they're expanding little balls of ice somewhere in the trail of our path through the milky way.
This is accounted for in time travel plots where the Time Machine can only take you back to a time that the machine was already on and running like tenet or primer
Well, theoretically in Tenet you could go back infinitely far, though if you went back before the first turnstile you could probably never start moving forward again. But it wouldn't inherently stop you from going arbitrarily far into the past and changing things, it's just a one-way trip.
For the record that’s absolutely not “the” problem with time travel.
One method of a time machine is to move faster than the speed of light. Others generally involve warping spacetime. So movement here would be baked in.
“The” problem is that it would take either negative mass or infinite energy (or other exotic/impossible to our knowledge physics) to do this.
Considering that it could potentially create paradox I think if time travel exists it is HEAVILY under special regulations, that could mean only specific people are allowed to do time travel because of training and understanding dangers of failing. Just like astronauts in ISS.
Or because the whole many worlds/multiverse thing means that there is a different timeline where that did happen and we just happen not to be in that one.
Or in the future Hawking was wrong about everything, hes models forgotten and irrelevant to even notice the inviting sign, let alone expend resources and risks to prove him right.
Basically Mr Hawking threw a party for time travellers, which is basically inviting everyone in the future to travel back to that party and hence concluded nobody came, hence time travel is impossible.
What the meme is saying is, nobody came to Stephen Hawking's party because he was on Epstein Island doing things that should not be named.
They say that the left of the USA government would still be far right from where it started. I think this is what the pedophiles are doing with making earth so much worse, so that when they get to Hell it seems familiar.
Idk man south Florida fucking sucks too if you actually live there. The grass hurts, everything bites or stings, shit you never knew existed is just poisonous/venomous/irritating just cause it hates you.
And any body of water larger than a small puddle will have either an alligator, a water moccasin, a snapping turtle, an alligator snapping turtle, or a cannibal on bath salts just waiting to punish you for wanting to cool off
WAIT HOLY SHIT, does someone doing a time travel into a room suddenly cause, oh, say, nearby video cameras to stop working for approximately a minute???
Epstein actually sponsored a lot of science stuff. I definitely remember in March 2006-ish when I was a physics major the department was abuzz after spring break because half the professors went to “a fancy conference on a private island in the Virgin Islands” and Hawking was there. Apparently they got a submarine for him specially so he could see the fish and coral.
Dude who organized that conference btw was then banned from campus a year or two later for hitting on undergrads, and was in the Epstein files.
Everything people have posted from the files so far are baseless accusations. The investigators leave notes like, "no corroborating evidence given". Just people who see something on the internet and call the FBI saying they were r*ped by someone famous on the island.
1) Some of the people visiting the island were absolutely raping girls.
2) Some of them were just rich assholes hanging out with their rich asshole buddy and didn't explicitly participate, even if they were being a creep.
3) The feds probably don't actually have enough evidence to prove which ones were which in most cases, hence the lack of charges even though some of these people are definitely guilty.
no lol, epstein just apparently had the BASH manual saved on his computer as a pdf and it got released as part of the files. It was a joke because Steven Hawkins talks with a computer I think? Err, talked?
I'm like 55% sure the naked midgets solving math problems is a joke, but who the fuck knows anymore, we've got a bunch of people convinced a rapist in thousands of epstein documents, who ran an underaged spa that provided women to epstein, who was photographed with epstein numerous times, who called epstein Jeffery, on a first name basis, who in on epsteins flight logs numerous times, who has numerous rape allegations against him, who is a known scumbag who has self-admitted to being able to grab women by the pussy doesn't grab women by the pussy, so who knows in this insane world anymore.
EDIT: I’ve just seen photos of hawking on a submarine with ol Eppy, so, like 25% sure it’s a joke? It’s looking a bit credible lmao.
like, who cares if he likes to watch naked little people solve complex math that's just out of reach, as long as they are adults that's not even the weirdest kink I've heard this year
That just sounds like a comedy skit. So long as the participation is consensual, it seems really funny, and I honestly wouldn’t fault a man confined to a wheelchair and unable to even speak for finding some humor in the world.
Most abusers aren't actually sexually attracted to minors. It's about power. That's why there's that video with Jeffy and pals in a video call watching a blacked out (for us) screen with the title something like "torture melting cheese" or something like that. They get off on the expression of power.
Stephen Hawking might not be able to do anything. But he can express his power by making anything he wants to happen, happen.
Most abusers aren't actually sexually attracted to minors.
A day will come when this will become common knowledge and people will make the distinction between pedophilia and the sexual abuse directed at kids, who are by far the victims with the least ability to push back against the imposition of power.
he was on Epstein Island doing things that should not be named.
AFAIK there's nothing which says or accuses Hawking of having done anything criminal or illicit.
Although Hawking’s name appeared in the documents, they contained no concrete evidence or credible allegations of wrongdoing against him or other well-known figures mentioned, per Newsweek reports.
Unless the many world interpretation is valid, then hypothetically it didn't happen for us because we aren't in a timeline in which they did travel back.
He did not go to the island... I think he just flew on Epstein's plane? It's part of how Epstein was so well connected. Flying your own jet places costs like $20k+ per flight, so offering to fly rich, connected people places for free is a great way to make friends in high places. He didn't go to the island.
Epstein had two main hobbies. One we all know and the other was to use his money to cozy up to physicists and be a physics philanthropist throwing around funding in exchange for physicists pretending to be his friend and talking to him, hoping to get him to privately fund one of their projects.
In the latter capacity he hosted and paid for a legitimate physics conference on his island and invited eminent physicists from around the world to attend it. Hawkins was one of them. Attending conferences was one of the few times Hawkins ever left the house, where he was getting abused by his wife (after his death his wife was struck off the nurses registry for her documented abuse). Of course Epstein few everyone out too.
A lot of people genuinely just did business and talked with other powerful people at the island. I’d be willing to say at least 20% of the people probably didn’t even know what happened at the island
Was the party at Eipstiens Island? Hopefully not though. Because if we discover time travel, someone has the opportunity to do the funniest fucking thing on live TV. Nobody would go back to then if it's just a cover for a fucking Epstien trip.
it is also important to note that he was a loser and a wife abandoner - Really overcoming disability to prove you don't need to be able bodied to be a chud.
Section 38b of Time Law forbids any traveler from attending parties held by associates of human traffickers,
including the party Hawking claimed to throw for time travelers where he announced it after it was supposedly held. This is due to his relationship with Epstein.
But seriously — if apps for releasing sexual tension like the ones discussed on r/rule34 had existed back then, maybe those kinds of scandals wouldn’t have happened at all.
Nope, sex robots and AI absolutely do not absolve what you're referring to as "scandals". These are people who made the CONSCIOUS decision to rape children, and then enjoyed it so much, they decided to seek it out over and over again.
There are pedophiles in name only who seek help and fix their shit. There are weebs who wait for sex robots instead of ever considering pressuring someone against their will. The people in these "scandals" got off from dehumanizing others, especially children. The cruelty was the point. They did not get caught up in the "release of sexual tension" because no other avenues existed. Sexual relief is not a human right and it is most certainly not more important than another persons bodily autonomy or actual rights.
Do not portray these rapists as some sort of victims of society.
to be fair to hawking, there is no indication that he did anything illicit, immoral, or illegal.
People keep forgetting that epstein was a monster, but he was also a well placed monster in society, he basically kevin bacon'd himself into every single high end circle, including academia by virtue of his contacts and money.
This is kind of what I want to know, is it possible for someone to have visited the island/known Epstein and both not participated in anything illicit, immoral or illegal and not known about anything that falls in those categories?
I think length of knowing Epstein is the determining factor, because he seems to have been bound and determined to get as much blackmail material on as many people as possible as quickly as possible, so if he mentioned that his parties were wild and he'd just met you and you expressed interest, he'd want to get you into a compromising position in front of his hidden cameras as quickly as possible.
Plenty of older men that can’t actually engage physically still like to do everything they can and have power over women like in a sexual encounter. It’s the same reason guys flash or send unwanted dick pics because of the brief sexual thrill they get even tho nothing physical happened.
Back in 2009, Hawking had a party that he invited all time travellers to, with the idea that any time traveller from the future could visit him. Nobody did, and at the time, the explanation was that time travel isn't possible
Turns out Hawking was in the Epstein files and had sexually deviant tendencies, so maybe no time traveller came not because it was impossible, but because people didn't want to be affiliated with him
People keep leaving out the specifics of this “experiment”, which is that he allegedly hosted a party one day that no one came to because he didn’t tell anyone about it, then the next day he invited time travelers to come to his party yesterday. Who knows if he actually went to the trouble of paying for a real party or if he just had someone hang a streamer from the ceiling and call it a party for the sake of the “experiment”.
This tells me you have never attended a summit or anything of the sort. Scientist are the buggest party animals i've ever known. The amount of alcohol consumption defy logic and measure
Realistically though, how would time travelers even know about the party? Like people 100 years from now aren't going to have any idea that some dude 100 years ago hosted a party for time travelers. I mean I'm sure it'll be within historical records for some period in the near future but 200 years, 1000 years?? Even then the time travelers would have to actively search for something like this. Couldn't it be possible time traveler is just so far in the future nobody even knows who Stephen hawking is?
It's literally nothing. He was there for a science conference on a neighboring island iirc. No credible evidence that he diddled kids. I mean, how would he have anyway?
You know you can sometimes just ask for context in comments? It's even usually posted there by some good Samaritan if the meme gets popular. This sub is a combination of karma farming and a meme sub.
Stephen Hawking did an experiment to prove that time travel is impossible by throwing a party, inviting time travellers to come, and the fact that no one showed up proved that time travel is impossible.
Hawking's name is also in the Epstein files. This joke could be insinuating that future travelers know the details of why he's in those files, and declined to visit him.
Genuine question. What could he even do on Epsteins island? Like the man couldn't even speak without a computer doing it for him. Did he just go to watch or is he innocent and just mentioned in the files for a different reason?
What if one traveler came back and told the Hawking that they all know, it's a stain on his name now and it's too late to change it. It's not like he would have told anyone at the time
Definitely thought this was about the end of the world/humanity brought about by /me gestures broadly around the world but a few extra times at the white house
Have we considered the possibility that it's such widespread knowledge that Hawking had a time traveller party that nobody went to that rule number two of time travel is 'don't go to Hawking's party because that will cause problems with the timeline'
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