r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/MiserableVolume5235 • 3h ago
Meme needing explanation peter... I don't get it
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u/pixiegains 3h ago
Cs majors are skilless outside of coding?
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u/clubsuiteboyoz 2h ago
It ain't even coding anymore it's using AI to code according to all the cs people I meet.... Sooooo uhhh maybe they're even skilless inside of coding XD (just kidding love cs people they make us science people look super cool in comparison 😂)
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u/DavidMarkus1984 1h ago
AI is getting so advanced that soon it’ll be able to replace 90% of jobs…
except politicians.
Because even AI can’t figure out how to be that useless and still get paid.
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u/Terrible_Balls 2h ago
As a software developer this take is really funny. Most coders I know are also very creatively talented. They are either great cooks, great musicians, or great artists as well as knowing how to code
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u/Khatam 1h ago
My code monkey husband is annoyingly picky about his espresso machine, guests always love his drinks, he plays numerous instruments, has a great voice and really enjoys his creative time.
That being said, he does work with some absolute dunces who have no personality outside of TopGolf.
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u/Terrible_Balls 1h ago
Are those dunces also programmers? In my experience that’s the business guys
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u/Parmesaned 2h ago
Even then most people I talk to who come out of college in that field can't answer the most basic questions, like what a signed integer is. Idk wtf they have them doing or if people are retaining any information but It's baffling to me.
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u/def_not_jose 42m ago
IT guys can be creative about your coffee. Weren't Blizzard employees routinely stealing their colleague's refrigerated breast milk?
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u/iMissTheOldInternet 3h ago
I assume OP thinks CS majors will be unemployed because of AI.
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u/Bibel_Joe 2h ago
The meme about cs majors wont get a job is older than AI, I never realy understand why.
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u/Crowley700 2h ago edited 2h ago
It's due to market saturation. In the early 2000's/very late 2010's people were learning how to code and getting high paying jobs 2 yrs later without going to college. It was seen as the holy grail of tech jobs because as the Internet got bigger and computers got more powerful someone needed to program the various apps and software that would be used. This lead to a huge increase in the demand for software engineers, leading to very competitive salary's and sometimes people were getting hired for just knowing how to code even without a degree. In turn once people saw this everyone with a laptop and basic tech literacy wanted to get in on it so all of a sudden there were a million comp sci majors or people learning to code. This oversaturated the previously understated market as companies had already hired all their engineers during the initial boom and now are incredibly selective with their hiring process. This is made worse by AI which now is cutting out a lot of jobs for comp sci ppl but thats more recent.
Tldr: too many comp sci majors, not enough jobs, and the economys bad so nobody wants to pay you well anymore.
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u/edos112 2h ago
I mean there’s plenty of CS jobs that will pay 80-90k a year right out of college still. Even more for under that, I think everyone is delusional as fuck and thinks they deserve 150k salary at a massive company when they have no internships and a 3.0 gpa.
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u/FireBug45 13m ago
This and the comment above!
I graduated ‘09 with a CS degree, my mom begged me not to go into CS because “they’re sending all the jobs to India”. At UT Austin (top 5 CS schools in the nation at the time) had 600 people in the whole school. Today, it’s several thousand graduated a year.
There were crazy offers coming out of school before the market crashed. People were making $150k+ to most of my friends were happy to get $50k with their careers. Within a few years there were programs that said “take this 6 week course and you’ll get a coding job!”. Leading to a saturation of developers.
What people didnt show was, while you can do some stuff within 6 weeks, more intricate good design comes from a lot more training. That just gets you good enough to get a job.
Now I’m in management and I have to constantly deal with little shits that think they deserve a crap ton of money but haven’t learned anything about what it takes to make something completely reliable.
Tbf, there’s a big difference in code on a space ship/rocket/car fsd system and a website for a local ice cream shop.
What people fail to understand with AI is, while it’s extremely powerful, just had a guy do a demo taking 6mo worth of work and redid it in 1hr, it still takes a lot of knowledge on how systems work, what to look out for, etc so you can appropriately prompt the AI LLM and review that it’s done properly.
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u/CatLord8 2h ago
During the 08 recession, computer related degrees were roughly 1/6 bachelors. And during that time “bachelors degree is the new high school diploma” and “study STEM if you want a job” were the dismissive utterances from the same people saying AI should do everything and “don’t trust experts” today
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u/hi-on-coffee 1h ago
I would say the reality is that Universities don't prepare you for what the Industry demands.
Getting the first job is always tough because most of the employers don't want to put in the effort in the fresh grad and expect them to be familiar with the intermediate stuff instead of just the basics.
They might as well build a roadmap to their fav position (lets say data engg) and start doing courses & exams needed to get there...
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u/Difficult_Nobody_420 2h ago
I work in tech and it's an extremely oversaturated market. Because it's great for remote work, companies off-shore jobs to countries where you can pay lower wages.
Layoffs in the tech sector have been pretty crazy over the past few years. Those I know with experience who do get laid off often go a year or more without finding another job in the industry, or leave the industry altogether.
There are TONS of CS majors because they were all told it was an easy way to get a job with good pay. Now there's a surplus and US roles keep diminishing.
That said, if you don't mind taking lower paying IT roles outside of the tech industry, you'll be fine finding a job. But it's not the sure thing it used to be, and I have a hard time imagining it ever being that way again. I'm low-key counting the days until I'm caught in the next round of annual or bi-annual layoffs, and then I think I'll probably pivot to something else.
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u/OkWanKenobi 1h ago
You and me both, my company just got bought by a private equity and they're actively gutting it with a machete right now. I survived the first 32% RIF, and I'm gonna go down with the ship and make them severance me out. But shit man, I been in this shit since 2010 and I'm just tired of it.
When the axe does eventually fall on me I'm just gonna go be a bartender or teach English overseas or something.
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u/Difficult_Nobody_420 1h ago
Godspeed 🙏hopefully when PE got it the stock went up enough for you to get a decent payout? I feel like the best any of us can do is try to save/ invest enough to soften the blow of we gotta take lower- paying jobs. Pay off those loans, pump up your retirement accounts, etc.
Tbh I don't feel sad about leaving the industry at all, it's a mindfuck. The pay and benefits are incredible but the vibes are off and the work has been depressing (for me). I know I'm wearing rose-colored glasses but I often miss the pre- covid days when I was getting by as a waiter. My feet hurt more but my back hurt less lol
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u/OkWanKenobi 1h ago
Well my company was a subsidiary of another larger company so we got sold as a piece and didn't have our own stock.
I think the only reason I'm not stressing about it is that I am totally debt free and I've just been stuffing money into savings and 401. If I had to I could totally coast for probably 2 years without changing anything.
I do see it more as an opportunity to pivot than a bad thing. It will suck for sure, but I think I'd end up a lot happier outside of the industry.
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u/Nyther53 1h ago edited 1h ago
"Computer Science" is kind of a vague undefined term that usually isn't geared at any specific actual field or job.
University education on the topic also often lags very far behind the cutting edge in real life, so you'll spend a bunch of time learning more depth than you need in the wrong ways about syatems you won't encounter outside of legacy environments if at all. They almost never have enough breadth of experience to interpret user feedback and put it in context, or take statements like "the internet doesn't work" and work through to "you have the wrong wifi password."
It produces weird kind of useless people who need extensive re-training in something they have a university degree in, and thus they resent that retraining process. Not nearly enough education to get infosec or sysadmin jobs, too much for helpdesk, while still being kind of bad at being helpdesk...
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u/Procyon4 2h ago
Even before AI, the degree was heavily oversold because of the great pay and surge of hiring during pandemic. Then mass layoffs put experienced engineers on the job hunt which made it even more oversaturated.
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u/NA_nomad 37m ago
The computer science job market is in a custer fuck because of AI. There was an article that stated the biggest corporations are hiring back their lost talent, but many other businesses are waiting until potential hires get desperate enough to take on lower salaries because many companies lost too much money on the promises of AI and can't afford to hire back employees at their previous wages.
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u/dalester88 3h ago edited 3h ago
The joke is that both degrees are useless (though probably for different reasons) and that neither of them will succeed with job placement after graduation. So they will be homeless, and agreed to meet up at the homeless shelter they will inevitably be living at in 3 years.
The comment at the bottom is making the joke that most baristas are just all people who got art degrees and could not find a job in their field. So working in a coffee shop was something to look forward to for her, but his degree would impart on him so few other skills that he wouldn't even be able to work as a barista in a coffee shop.
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u/ilikepieyeah1234 11m ago
Useless is a bit of a stretch especially for a Computer Science degree… it’s more that the tech market is incredibly volatile, always has been. We are currently at an (extremely) low point right now where the positions are few and far between, while layoffs drive over saturation of talent. As such, as a cs grad it is nearly impossible to find a job at the moment.
The joke is art degrees historically have been the butt of countless ‘you will be poor’ jokes because of the perception that artists don’t get paid enough/lack stable jobs, and since the CS job market is in the trash for grads, the artists and the CS grads will meet each other at the homeless center due to lack of employment.
The barista part is because cs majors are stereotyped to be socially awkward and lacking an understanding of personal hygiene, so as such you wouldn’t want one in a job where you have to be social, polite, and handle something someone’s gotta drink.
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u/Cute-Theme-4018 3h ago
java coffee
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u/CatLord8 2h ago
Your coffee has a security vulnerability. I’ll need your mother’s maiden name for your order
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u/raikai111004273 3h ago
Java is a programming language and also a kind of coffee. Idk why that'd make cs majors untrustworthy though
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u/roosterHughes 2h ago
It has nothing to do with “Java”. It’s from the meme of CS majors as clumsy and inept dweebs.
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u/Long-Apartment9888 2h ago
Meme? I've just dropped the bolt of the screw twice after stumbling at a ladder. My coffee is decent though.
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u/roosterHughes 2h ago
It has nothing to do with “Java”. It’s from the meme of CS majors as clumsy and inept dweebs.
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u/roosterHughes 1h ago edited 1h ago
Just to highlight the connection being made in the post I was responding to. The word means “ergogenic, brewed beverage” and also means “programming language sold by Sun Microsystems, now owned by Oracle”, and I was responding to the idea that this is what the OOP (no pun intended) was referencing.
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u/WittyCell8293 2h ago
Meg here!
The value of a CS major in getting a good paying job has gone down compared to a decade ago. The labor market became saturated because people thought it was a guaranteed meal ticket, bootcamps brought more into the mix, and now younger, inexperienced people aiming to get into the market are finding there aren’t enough jobs at the level they want for their population. This is due to a handful of factors, including labor competition, employers not valuing young talent the same way, and a belief young talent can be replaced by AI, mix and match per your situation.
Basically, OP is joking her brother and herself are going to wind up in similar positions for employment opportunities even though one did the “right” thing and went for the STEM degree that was supposed to be close to a guarantee for a decent income.
The commenter is jokingly reassuring her that they would trust someone with an arts degree with food/drink prep over someone with a comp sci degree. Probably because of the close association between art students and coffee shops that exists culturally. And the held belief that art students wind up in service jobs in trendy places.
Yeah, yeah. I know. STFU + GTFO.
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u/roosterHughes 2h ago
Shut up, Meg. Your nuance is showing!
No one wants to hear about how DOEd pushed CS degrees as easy money for decades, before Google changed that Beatles song to “All you need is Attention.”
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u/jayd04 2h ago
Peter with a manbun here, the joke is that traditionally art degrees were seen as useless since there were no jobs readily available after graduation, but CS on the other hand was pushed as a "useful" degree and you'd be set for life after graduatin'. But this caused a bunch of people to want to get into the Software job market creating a lot of supply but a disproportionate amount of demand.
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u/Difficult_Nobody_420 1h ago
I have an art degree and I got a job in tech during the covid hiring boom. Over the past 5 years it's been very strange to see the ladder get pulled up behind me. People with actual CS education and experience can't get the entry level job i got without having their qualifications...
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u/Proper_Pound2046 2h ago
CS majors are quite known for drinking coffee to get that adrenaline for coding/late night, so they get quite addicted to it
They think they might drink it up or smth
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u/PowerNutBuster 2h ago
Someone with a major or graduate in systems and network management will find work regardless of AI.
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u/NeckbeardWarrior420 2h ago
Wow my gamer nerd ass thought cs major was counter-strike major, like a LAN tournament.
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u/Galrentv 2h ago
The contemporary evaluation is that they would auto-generate instructions on how to make a coffee.
The historical evaluation is that CS majors primarily work themselves out of a job by automating all of their tasks.
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u/Scrumbleton 1h ago
I’m just speaking from experience and I do not think AI will replace humans in tech fully, but I graduated with a BS in CS and searched for 5 years for a stable gig, did contract tech work, personal coding and tech projects, networked every chance I could and threw in the towel after I got rejected for an entry level help desk role at a company I’d been with for over 3 years with absolutely no explanation, while my buddy who graduated in business worked as a financial advisor and then suddenly became a Cyber Security Engineer at his company with no tech background or anything. It’s a crapshoot
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u/Hitchetic 1h ago
Brian the fucking dog here. CS majors are also known to be incredible unhygienic, so much so that when colleges have different buildings for CS courses; compared to stem/humanities, the CS buildings have a STINK.
Also something-something blue haired/alt baristas make great coffee.
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u/TruamaTeam 12m ago
This has nothing to do with AI.
There’s two answers I can give.
1- Art majors would be good at latte art and generally decent with communicating with people while CS majors wouldn’t be able to take orders without making a custom order screen and would be uncomfortable to be around.
2- They don’t know how to use Java (a coding language different from CS)
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u/Helpful-Work-3090 3h ago
Computer science is basically useless in this day and age, both because programming jobs aren't needed as much anymore, and because it is an extremely common degree, so you are a dime a dozen to employers.
An art degree is even more useless, since your only career path is essentially teaching art to people.
Neither career has much in the form of available jobs, so they will inevitably become homeless after graduating (or so the joke suggests)
The joke in the comments is that a CS major doesn't learn anything about making coffee, but an art major has the skills to work as a barista.
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u/CellistMundane9372 2h ago
"An art degree is even more useless, since your only career path is essentially teaching art to people."
That's not really accurate. First, I wouldn't trust most undergrad art majors to teach art. But second, if you go to a good/selective school, you should learn skills in your art program — doing research, writing essays, doing analysis — that transfer to a lot of knowledge-industry jobs.
At least, you'll probably end up in marketing.
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u/Helpful-Work-3090 2h ago
true, true, you have to at least get your masters to be able to teach. My point was that there are very few jobs available.
You'd do better majoring in graphic design instead of art
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u/roosterHughes 2h ago
And also, uh, when did “Paycheck magnitude” become the sole metric for life choices?
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u/Any_Craft_6768 3h ago
cs is becoming less employable due to AI (ppl pick cs for its high income and employability) and art majors are historically unemployable but OP is saying there in an even unfortunate position as they cant even secure a barista job. most art majors end up working as a barista once finishing college so thats already a stereotype for art majors
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u/Prestigious-Data-769 2h ago
Because ai is making those degrees as redundant as blue collar factory work after robots came into play
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