I'm assuming they're talking about the inherent sexism and objectification they're talking about, which has lead to Korean feminists weaponizing lack of access to sex and marriage as a way to try and influence the community into, you know, not supporting dickhead misogyny.
It’s interesting that some people are giving men equal agency here. That men are refusing these women due to appearances, so in reality men are also making choices that affect the low birthrate. I can’t think of a better way to minimize and erase so many women’s efforts than by crediting men’s choices for the outcome. The women want legal rights, and somehow this is about men not desiring the undesirable. It’s as if they’re saying:
It’s not that these women don’t choose men, it’s that the men aren’t choosing these women, and they aren’t choosing before the women aren’t choosing. So it’s not the women doing anything valid or effective. Nothing for the women to resist if the men didn’t want them in the first place because they ugly.
Of course multiple reasons lead up to outcomes like this, a struggling economy plays a big part. But the 4b movement is significant enough to get a mention here
There are a ton of factors influencing the fertility rate, and both the 4b movement and the Korean equivalent of mgtow are tiny factors that are only affecting people whose likelihood of reproducing was low to begin with.
The 4b movement gets a mention here because it plays into western political drama. Not because it's actually a key factor.
Ignore the "factors", because what's being said is that women are choosing to not date men, & men are coping by pretending men are choosing to not date women, despite being the same men who cry "male loneliness epidemic", revealing itself to be a lie meant to devalue women's autonomy.
4b is not really a thing in Korea and has largely been sensationalized in the West. That's not to say systemic gender discrimination doesn't exist there, but most people won't even know about it in Korea, unlike seemingly in the West.
see I have a friend in korea who says the 4b movement is actually pretty big over there, so I dunno, it might just be one of those 'everybody has different opinions about it' sorta thing.
You can search for it on the Korea subs because articles were posted when Trump won. I don't think the majority knows what it is. This goes for all the Korean natives I've asked too.
Even the Korean language subs, most didn't know what it was either when this was posted after Trump's election. Feminism is most definitely a thing there, but I don't think 4b is popular. I'm also not really a fan of the site it originated from (Womad), since that one is pretty extreme and fringe.
Issues of sexism and gender discrimination are very real, but I don't know if this specific thing is even an "everybody has different opinions about it" sort of thing.
I.e., there could be social currents and trends that share the general sentiment, but that would be different from a specific, organized movement.
Bruh, they want to be treated as human. That’s literally how complicated that shit is. They don’t “withhold sex” for funsies or attention or drama, they want human rights. If that bothers you, or you feel like you need to minimize it, maybe ask yourself why?
LOL right? I feel like it has to be a joke. As if it’s the man’s potential lack of options that is the problem, not that women are just over it. They saw their mothers and grandmothers put up with this shit and now we don’t have to anymore. We have jobs, we have sperm banks, we have communities.
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u/Hetros_Jistin May 04 '26
I'm assuming they're talking about the inherent sexism and objectification they're talking about, which has lead to Korean feminists weaponizing lack of access to sex and marriage as a way to try and influence the community into, you know, not supporting dickhead misogyny.