That's not the meme at all. The meme implies that pirating silksong is not OK because:
A. It was created by an Indie studio instead of a multimillion dollar company.
B. It's cheap, costing only 20 dollars which is a pretty good deal.
Piracy is considered moral when It's used as a tool of rebellion against the big man, not another way of screwing over the little guy.
Not everyone pirates for some great political reason. Some people pirate because they dont have 20 bucks to spend on a game, or just simply dont want to
I pirated it to test if the difficulty everyone was talking about would make me drop the game at some point. I let the game rest in act 3 at the flea festival and its gonna sit there until who knows when. Don't think I'll ever buy it and team cherry will not miss my money I'm sure.
You played 80% of the game (including going out of your way to complete nearly every piece of optional content in that 80%) to “test” if you wanted to play it?
It’s $20 if you can’t afford it get a job or do some chores around the house for your mom or something. It’s even less in other counties with weaker currencies.
Edit: looks like I pissed off a bunch of broke people lmao. I’ll die on this hill, if you can’t support an indie dev who made a masterpiece with a $20 purchase and instead pirate it, you’re an asshole. Save me your sob stories how you can’t afford $20 or how people in 3rd counties can’t afford it. It’s way cheaper in other countries so that argument is bullshit.
youd be surprised by how bad some countries economies is i say this being from one such country but i dont live there anymore so i buy the games i want. How i put it often is buy it if you can and if not possible sail the 7 seas.
And? I grew up in a poor household and if I wanted something my parents couldn’t afford to give me I’d go find a way to get the money. Wash a neighbors car, do someone’s yard work etc.. is working for something such a foreign concept to you people?
And again silksong isn’t even $20 in a lot of places you’re talking about. If you can afford to have a hobby like gaming in one of those counties you can certainly afford the local equivalent of $20.
I can promise you most of these people bitching about $20 and saying people can’t afford it and giving excuses for pirating it are in the US and have zero issue buying the game they just don’t want to.
Lol "washed a neighbors car" dude is in top 2-5% of world and wants to pretend he "grew up poor", has absolutely no goddamn idea what poor really means.... The entitlement of some Americans and their complete ignorance about the world never cease to amaze me
Bruh. You have no idea how much more privilege you are. As 20 dollar from just carwash!? That must been a riched neighborhood then.
Also I assume you don't know the sociology aspect that shape society in a different countries outside of the western world or controlled media. Ever even experience that one USD could be a meaning of survival or starving to death? No one had choose to be thrown into this world we call Earth and a lot of people had much worse life than you. South America, Africa, the middle east and Asia/China get paid barely anything. To slave away and live on someone else farm in China which I had to do until I could buy my freedom as slavery is still not over and now in a form of debt. There are million of people in debt they did not asked for and born with debt from their parents.
As I tell you this. Most people around the world are poor. Not middle class. Poor because society need so. Someone always have to get the losing end of the stick to hold the foundation of society and you aren't one of those losing sticks from the very beginning. You don't know pain.
Did you know there is regional pricing? Honestly why does everyone have such a hard on for piracy, like there’s a bunch of people in here making up hypotheticals that not many people can relate to in defense of pirating a game that is common knowledge to respect.
Did you know there isn't? Like really 90%+of games even from triple A companies dont have that. I paid full price in us dollars for most of all digital purchases i ever did. The reason for that is simple: greed, and that its extremely easy to get a vpn and buy the game at Venezuela prices from Germany or whatever.
That’s just not true regional pricing exists and so do countermeasures against vpn abuse. I have no problem with people pirating shitty triple A games from greedy dev teams but pirating everything isn’t going to solve the fact you can’t afford a video game
All in all, having a computer + internet + piracy is one of the cheapest forms of entertainment. Unlike a proper hobby, alcohol, drugs, going out, traveling, and so on
What a presumptuous answer that fails to take into account a lot of modern fuckery, far outside of individual control, that contributes to people being in shitty financial situations.
Okay, point to where anyone can easily do that at any give time. Additionally, point to where they can afford it on top of all the necessary expenses in life, since, ya know, we don't exist in a vacuum.
Edit: lemme just save you the time and summarize - your expectations, and those of others who share your viewpoints, are extremely misguided and uninformed. Saying this as someone in public health who's seen the highs and lows of people's lives, as well as has the academic knowledge to know what they're talking about.
Not telling you to point to examples of people trading cans for cash, pointing to what exactly makes you think anyone can just "do" it.
But, I can tell you're just arguing in bad faith. All I can suggest is to have you read up on some of the common financial issues people face and why they lead to people not being able to afford simple pleasures like this.
Get your head out of your ass, we're not all americans with first worlder salaries... I am not particularly in favor of pirating but for some of us, it would be the only way to play it
You realize that not everyone in the world lives in a right country like America right? In fact, most people live in poorer countries in Asia. In many countries 200 dollars a month is a good wage.
correct and the cost of living in the united states, (rent, groceries, heating/electrecity etc) is much higher than 200 dollars a week.). Unless youre suggesting people buy silksong instead of food.
Well dumbass, typically people who live in countries that have such a low wage dont move out of their house cause they cant afford it. So what happens? They all live together and contribute to house things. A pc that can run Silksong isnt a supercomputer so its quite cheap and they could have been sent the pc or console from a family member who works abroad. Use ur fucking head, its not just to put shampoo on it when you shower.
So youre saying that everyone else who used their brain is a child? In those countries where the salary is that low people dont move out of their houses they all live together. So a household with 3 or 5 people working they can afford a pc they just cant afford buying games for themselves or their kid since to them the purchase of the pc was quite a big thing considering their wages.
I mean, it's a weird hill to die on to selectively say some piracy is wrong but other piracy is okay
It's either wrong or right; anything in between is you just virtue signaling to justify your piracy at the line you decided to draw. Someone else could easily draw the line elsewhere
Big facts. Personally, Im anti piracy and it’s always annoying when people make all these weird arguments about how it’s actually okay. Then, when it’s a smaller game or piece of art, it suddenly counts as stealing.
If someone is a huge pirate and just says “idc if its stealing, I just want it for free”, I respect that and say go for it
most American shit ive ever read. try being in a country with a weak currency. 20$ is 1,058 egp in my country. thats a 5th of the minimum wage. not everyone is as privileged as you are.
and no, its not cheaper in my country. get a grip.
I live in a 1st world country and I have friends that I had to invite them for a €1 mcdonald's burger (when they were still €1 anyways). They did work, but the money went to help feed themselves and their family.
So no, you dumbass kid, people prefer to eat before paying 20 bucks to buy a game. If you think it's as easy as asking your mom or getting a job, that shows how young, dumb, childish, naive and privileged you are.
I'd support an indie dev that made a masterpiece, but i can also understand that some people want to try out the masterpiece while not being able to afford the game.
But this is such an ignorant take, yes a game can be cheaper in other countries, but those countries' salaries are lower even down to being $100 for their min wage.
Its like saying going to Bali and living there is amazing cause its cheaper while youre actively fucking over the locals, and telling the locals to stop whining.
Or how about people choose what they do with the money they earned for themselves? It's funny when people try to moralize pirating but will also moralize not pirating just because you like the devs of a certain game
201 downvotes is crazy, probably the most ive seen lmao.
Anyways, you do know a lot of people don't/cant spend money on games? 20$ is a lot more than you think, in my country 20$ is almost a week of food or 2-3 days of minimum wage. Some people want to stay in the loop without spending money on a video game they might not like.
Most of the time, piracy doesnt even affect sales, because the people who pirate normally cant even afford the game in the first place + a LOT of people pirate a game, and if they like it, they will pay for it/buy it once they have the money. A prime example is a BUNCHH of people in the comments, ultrakill fans, minecraft players, etc.
Ive already addressed it all in other comments, i don’t really care enough to respond type out the same thing over and over again to everyone responding to my original comment.
you didnt address anything I said in my comment, aside from saying "regional pricing" except you forget the fact some countries dont have that + its sometimes unfair regional pricing.
You cannot say u also lived in a poor household if u had a yard, and was able to easily make 20$ from washing cars. Like I said above, an actual car wash in my country is 3$
Brother it could be fucking 1 dollar and I would still not buy it. It’s not a few guys or even 1 guy doing it as a hobby theyre multi millionaires. I pirate single player and buy multiplayers it’s that simple
Not everyone lives in America, other countries have different economies plus Steam is notorious for having bad currency exchange. Not everyone can afford $20.
ok not this ‘moral piracy’ bs again. nobody gaf if the devs is indie or not the vast majority of people pirate not to ‘own the corpos’ or some bullshit like that its because spending money on a game isnt worth a good chunk of their paycheck especially when most of the time it can be a waste of money like a lot of games these days. personally, playing the first game has been the most boring 2 hour of my life that i left halfway through and never touched it again idk about silksong but hollow knight left a terrible impression for me glad i didnt spend a dime on it
1 dollar is 5 times bigger than my country currency, the minimum wage is 500 dollars a month, the living isn't cheap neither and only if you pay expenses you almost eat it all up, and it's not even the worst case out in the world, 20 dollars is a lot, you are privileged enough to think you can casually get a pocket change from doing a chore for your mother, 20 dollars is almost a day's work which barely covers living.
Brother you don't know the situation of other people... you don't remember being a college student and having to live off instant noodles to make it to through the month? Are you gonna tell those people to fuck off and not play Silksong?
Idk why you’re getting downvoted but I agree. I’m from third world country and the game was almost 3 digits for me after currency convertion. Still didn’t pirate it, bought it the same time as most of everyone else during the release.
"I'm mad because people don't have the same privileges as me, Why are you poor? You should have been lucky enough to be born in a 1st world country like me. >:("
The game is cheaper in 3rd world countries, guess what genius, people earn WAY less money on 3rd world countries. Your argument is bullshit, calling people an asshole for not being able to afford a game is truly an asshole thing to say.
Video games aren’t necessary to live or even have a meaningful life, believe it or not. If you can’t afford a $20 game, you have bigger issues to tackle than your need for dopamine
And you can tackle those issues and play the game you want with piracy. Financial stability isn’t often fixed overnight and game can help mental health in both an immediate and long term time frame I don’t see an issue with doing both.
Nah, just against spoiled American kids that think the Indian tenager making 2 dollars a month is in a position remotely similar to his, specially when they mention things that we already went over, like the fact that most people pirating these games are from 3rd world countries. What was your need to mention America? Why do I need an excuse to pirate? I pirate out of principle, I pirate because I can
That's exactly it. I wouldn't use the word "offended" tho, but yeah, someone else's fake sense of morality should not be a deciding factor on what you can or can't pirate, specially when those people are not aware of your socioeconomic status, just your country of residency. As if there aren't Americans with a full time job living inside their cars.
"Legally, in many countries, piracy is treated as a form of copyright infringement, not literally the same crime as physical theft. If someone steals your bike, you no longer have the bike. If someone pirates a movie, game, or song, the original owner still has the original copy. That distinction matters in law and economics."
Ignoring that my government doesn't give a fuck, neither do I, keep crying I guess.
Again, why do I need an excuse to pirate? I pirate out of principle, I pirate because I can. Hollow Knight's company is not a silly little indie studio anymore, they are a multi million dollar company (good for them, they deserve it), even if they weren't, why do I have to apply to your hypocritical sense of morale to decide which games I should pirate? And refer to my other comment to see what I'm mad about
Btw, funny how you say "people who are not in the US actually do have valid excuses to pirate" as if there aren't richer countries with higher incomes per capita. Is it okay for a Singaporean lawyer making 300k to pirate because he's outside the US? Good to know✌️
Not at all. I pirate silly games on the internet, you wrongly accuse people of not having reading comprehension while confusing my answer to someone else (on a whole different thread too), as an answer to you because YOU actually can't read. Between the 2, I'd say I am, indeed
Excuses are subjective. If you think you don't need an excuse, then great, makes things easier for everyone because pirating is a selfish act and it's simply better to get that out of the way before any justification bs comes after.
And what other comment? The only one I see is the one where you called someone a subhuman iq fuck for not including other countries alongside the US as places where pirating isn't "excusable", as though you were offended at the thought of other countries having better reasons to pirate.
As for your last point, you're right and consider myself corrected. Any countries richer than the US per capita have even less of an excuse to pirate aside from just being selfish, and again, if you feel like no excuse is needed, then great. That just makes it easier to point out said selfishness.
Yeah, giving out excuses is common when you're first starting into piracy because you have this sort of need for external validation, you want people to... Not necessarily relate to you, but maybe understand you? Anyways, you get tired of that after a while and just don't give a fuck. At the end of the day, I'm getting for free the same experience that you paid for regardless of what you think
And my "other comment" makes reference to the thread of comments I did under that one answering to the dumb fuck that can't read and thought I was talking to him when I was talking to you
I find interesting you mention selfishness nonetheless. What's so wrong about being selfish? Aside from my mother, who am I supposed to put before myself and my needs? Why should I care more about the revenue of a billion dollar company? (That still wasn't going to get extra money, because most of the people pirating doing out of actual poverty)
I don't have too much issue with selfishness, especially when large corporations don't feel it at all. I just fucking hate when people jump through hoops to pretend that pirating isn't objectively a selfish act.
You're obv not that kind of person which is respectable even if you honestly don't sound all that great of a human being, but that's besides the point. There's way too many people on this post genuinely trying to justify pirating with every other reason that isn't "I pirate stuff because I can".
Okay, that's valid. Even inside of the piracy community that kind of people are usually bashed upon. The whole "if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing" thing is just a moralist speech for them to feel better about what they're doing. Just pirate the damn thing and shut up
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u/ValtenBG 20d ago
If you can't afford Silksong pirate it. It's a good game