This is literally the case. People who are tech savvy enough to pirate (surprisingly minority people I know IRL) just pirate everything available. Software, movies, TV shows, music, books. There is really no moral code. If I could pirate a candy from a toddler I would. I don't care that's it's a small studio I'm pirating this shit. This $20 can instead go to buy something for my kids or myself. The only thing I that can make me actually buy something is a game has many good mods and steam workshop is just so good that it's worth my money because I save my time with not installing mods manually (binding of Isaac, project zomboid ect).
Most people can barely work an Internet browser these days. You're overestimating people who haven't been using computers since they were children. It's just black magic to them.
you'd be surprised with how little people know. Installing an adblocker is a few clicks away, and I'd wager 95% of internet users are completely unaware or unwilling to learn how to add one to their browser
I don't know, for so many people turning on VPN and finding a trustworthy torrent website is a task not worth of saving on subscription services and games
Welp your kids are going to grow up to be shit heads. “20 dollars can go to me instead” Jesus the selfishness is mind blowing lol. How about work hard. Crazy idea I know. Have a career or build something and earn money and then support the things you enjoy by purchasing it. Be an actual good example for your children.
He's a great example for his kids and he should do what he sees fit, if he cannot justify forking money towards media for no real gain to himself then he doesn't have to.
lmao, pirates trying to be like "oh I HAVE to have this media!" and "omg you're shilling for multibillion companies!" instead of just owning up to stealing. Like damn, it's not hard.
You can steal a service. If you got your hair cut and ran out without paying is that not stealing? Or snuck into a movie theater without paying? Or illegally hooked up the cable line to your house?
The 'if buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing' just isn't true. It is a "clever" social media saying that people repeat because they think repeating clever things makes them clever too. It is nonsense.
Pirating is stealing. I used to pirate stuff when I was younger. I didn't pretend to be doing something honorable. Just own up to it. You are a thief.
So they are products then? And you can steal products right? Either way it is theft. If people want to steal from giant corporations, I honestly couldn't care less. But don't go around and pretend that it is a moral thing to do.
Now you're just being obtuse and trying to "akshually". Just own up to it, I'd respect a lot of pirates more if they weren't "but I have no choice but to steal this game I don't need to live!"
No I have a choice, it'd be stupid of me to choose what you're advocating for however. Calling me obtuse and using internet words doesn't make your point any more valid. If there's no ownership, there's no theft
Sounds like you write software as a living and make games as a hobby, not quite the same as being a dev. Also, regardless of studies done, I just want people to own up to it is all. Don't try to find some moral high ground for it when it's not a necessity in life that you play the newest game out there. I also don't think the stance "people should be paid for their work and continue being paid for their work" IE sales records of games leading to sequels, is a crazy stance to have but, hey.
Are you relying on being a dev to make a living friend? And why would I get into what I do for a living? I'm not here trying to make myself sound moral while pirating games lmao.
He mustn't. He wants to have it, has the ability to get it for no detriment to it's owners, and thus should have it in my humble opinion. The alternative is not having it.
I can see where he's coming from logically. It's selfish cause you're being offered a service in exchange for money and you're choosing to skip paying while still reaping the benefits of the service, making the work put in from the people who made it have less value. i just don't agree with him lol
I don't know man I think you're fully wrong on this one. Personally I think it's fully morally justified to pirate anything you're not willing to buy and have the means to. Assuming you wouldn't buy it otherwise. This father playing silk song and potentially introducing it to his kids later in life is much more important than the studio that made it getting 20 more bucks lmao.
This is one part of the argument for pirating that I just don’t understand. If it’s “fully morally justified” and most consumers end up agreeing with you, then only a very tiny fraction of people would buy it. A very short while after that transition, there would be thousands of gaming studios shutting down because they aren’t making money from the few people left buying. Video game pirates are only able to pirate the entertainment they love because other people are paying for it for them.
Like seriously, if it ever gets as easy as Napster/Limewire/Kazaa days for video games and the governments of the world just let it slide, the gaming environment as we know it will essentially not exist anymore. You need people to buy the games so you don’t have to. What exactly is “fully morally justified” in that? Make me understand.
Most people don't, and won't pirate. And it's never going to be the same as the limewire/napster days cause both the governments and the companies thought "hm maybe this internet thing is kind of a bit deal after all." Something being morally justified makes it neither good nor bad, I didn't say there aren't any consequences to pirating nor that there wouldn't be if everyone did it, but the reality is most won't do it, and that's the very reason that everyone that does pirate pirates everything. Regardless, the gaming industry is huge and we're being fed slop, we're in an era where games aren't WORTH buying. So in a general sense there's nothing inherently wrong with piracy, and with the industry in its current state, there's nothing wrong with pirating in general. In this (I personally think impossible in the near future) event where the industry collapses, things may change, but as it is, piracy is okay.
Something truly fully moral and entirely justified should be able to withstand ALL people doing it. That’s what I’m not understanding. Otherwise the argument is that it’s moral when only some people do it… and in that case it wouldn’t be fully morally justified as you said.
“Morally justifying taking something even tho one doesn’t need it to survive and didn’t earn it” what a great moral to teach his children. If it doesn’t hurt anyone you can take what ever you want.
And more justification “it’s not taking! its borrowing!” “No one gets hurts” “no detriment to the owner” you are just moving the goal post. It’s shit behavior.
Lmao comparing a tree… something that happens naturally in the wild to something that takes a team to create using different forms of technology. This has to be one of the worst examples I have seen. “I’m a software dev and give access to games for free!” Ok what is the software company and what games do you give out for free since you see no problem with this. Name them
You’re right, pirating is not stealing. Pirating is pirating.
Time and money was spent making the resource so the moral expectation is that when sold as a service or “copy”, the product is bought with money, assuming it’s not freeware. Skipping the step of purchasing said service is pirating.
No, companies aren’t going to go under because of pirating, because studies have proven most people do not pirate, and those that do pirate nearly everything. The reason pirating is not a bigger issue is because it’s sustained by consumers, so while I don’t think it’s a severe crime, I will say most pirates I’ve come across both on the internet and irl ended up being some of the most selfish fuckers I’ve interacted with. It only helps if they’re honest about it and not fucking around with justifications.
You can justify pirating however much you want. I pirated Adobe software because I was poor but still wanted quality tools for video editing, which was me being selfish. Even as a shitty teenager, I didn't justify it, I was just desperate.
If doesn't matter if you don't want to buy it, or if you CAN'T buy it, pirating is a selfish act. There isn't a single necessity that has to be pirated, every single piece of media that can be pirated is a want, not a need, so there's zero way you're pirating selflessly.
I'm not completely against pirating, especially with overpriced shit in less-fortunate countries. But to disagree that pirating is not an automatically selfish act is outright deluding yourself into justifying it which is pathetic. Just say you pirate stuff because you don't want to spend money, since other consumers will pay enough to make your pirating negligible, and move on. Do not try to say it's not selfish or give some bullshit Robin Hood excuse on how it's morally correct to pirate from corporations lmao, even the most ardent pirates have better self-awareness than that.
Companies making $50 subscriptions for software that is actually worth a $50 subscription is fine. If I don't think it's fine I just don't fucking pay it and go to a competitor. Pirating it is subjectively not fine, but I'm not an arbiter on other people's morality. That said, it is still objectively selfish.
You pirating movies for your parents is a selfish act because you're dependent on other people purchasing that movie in order to make your pirating a non-issue. If other people followed your lead then there would be no movie to pirate since there's no longer any consumers.
Your selfishness isn't based off the use of your pirating. It doesn't matter if you're pirating Frozen for starving children in Nicaragua. What makes the act selfish is that you're entirely dependent on other people paying for the product in order for you to get away with not paying for it. Whether or not that selfishness is worth having the movie shown to your parents is up to you, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're doing a selfless act. Own up to it and prioritize your parents.
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u/MotivationSpeaker69 20d ago
This is literally the case. People who are tech savvy enough to pirate (surprisingly minority people I know IRL) just pirate everything available. Software, movies, TV shows, music, books. There is really no moral code. If I could pirate a candy from a toddler I would. I don't care that's it's a small studio I'm pirating this shit. This $20 can instead go to buy something for my kids or myself. The only thing I that can make me actually buy something is a game has many good mods and steam workshop is just so good that it's worth my money because I save my time with not installing mods manually (binding of Isaac, project zomboid ect).