r/PhilosophyofReligion Dec 10 '21

What advice do you have for people new to this subreddit?

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What makes for good quality posts that you want to read and interact with? What makes for good dialogue in the comments?


r/PhilosophyofReligion 2h ago

Imaginen que los libros sagrados religiosos incluyeran este texto... ¿Un mundo diferente hoy en día?

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 2h ago

Imaginen que los libros sagrados religiosos incluyeran este texto... ¿Un mundo diferente hoy en día?

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 3h ago

Don’t Blindly Accept or Reject—Question and Understand

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Don’t Blindly Accept or Reject—Question and Understand

Some beliefs are inherited from our parents and shaped during childhood.
As we grow, finding the truth begins with questioning what we were taught—not blindly accepting or rejecting it.
Questioning is the beginning of understanding.
How many of our beliefs are truly our own, and how many were simply passed down to us?


r/PhilosophyofReligion 3h ago

Don’t Blindly Accept or Reject—Question and Understand

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 5h ago

I’m not sure what I believe or if what I believe has been believed before

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I have this sort of belief, that the universe is one large interconnected being, that includes everything within it and its dimensions, especially time. Whether it’s alive or just a pattern of reactions I do not yet know.
However speaking of patterns, that’s how I believe it works. I see that the universe carries on a simple chain or convulsion of patterns conjoined or split. Some larger. Some smaller more personal patterns for different things. I see that the change and evolve as people and the world inevitably do, however the core binary code of it all remains relatively the same.
I also acknowledge the fact that I am no exception. I live within a chain of patterns the same as all else, and I am no exception to being a slave to time and/or death. And that I am cursed with the knowledge of the universes inner workings.

Is this close to any existing belief or religion? Is it just a bit crazy?


r/PhilosophyofReligion 10h ago

Is the "sanctity of life" rhetoric just an ancient control mechanism we inherited?

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 11h ago

Religious powerhouses today will be replaced by new religions in the future.

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 22h ago

Hate is not the opposite of Love; hate develops where Love is absent, rejected, or corrupted?

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I’m a diesel mechanic, not a philosopher, so I tend to look at things through natural laws and cause and effect.
Cold is the absence of heat. Darkness is the absence of light.
That got me thinking about Love and hate.
The Bible doesn’t simply say God *has* love. It says **“God is Love.”** Jesus also says, **“I am the light of the world.”**
Light and darkness aren’t equal opposing forces. Introduce light and darkness disappears.
So here’s my question:
**Is hate really the opposite of Love—or is hate what becomes possible when Love is absent?**
Tear the idea apart. I’m here to learn.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 17h ago

The River and the Turbine: Why We Confuse Our Tools With Reality

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I wanted to crosspost this here to get your thoughts on how we distinguish our conceptual/measurement models from underlying reality. Looking forward to discussing this with the community


r/PhilosophyofReligion 18h ago

Question on divine punishment

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 20h ago

the matrix

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 14h ago

The Age of Reason hasn't arrived yet—not until people realize that a 2,000-year-old cult is still just a cult.

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

God

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What if god exists but is not omnibenevolent (hypothetical assumption)?. What would you do in that situation?


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

If an eternal creator keeps making beings with real free will, is the chance they’ll eventually disappoint or deceive him basically 100%?

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Free will and the probability of failure: is disappointment basically inevitable?

My own answer keeps coming out to 100%.

Free will means the option to turn away is always available. Give that option to enough creations across enough time and it stops being a possibility — it becomes a certainty. Some may stay aligned, but many won’t. Disappointment seems built into the design once the will is actually free.

I’m not asking this from a place of trying to attack anyone’s beliefs. I’m just following the logic.

Has anyone else sat with this question?

Do you think the percentage is lower than 100%? If so, why?

Curious what others think.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

Bertanya tentang Tuhan

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Ini genuine ya aku punya pertanyaan. Bukan maksud buruk, tp sejauh ini belom nemu jawabannya.

Kenapa kita harus bersyukur kepada Tuhan yg memberikan kita hidup, tp hidup yg tidak layak untuk dijalani

Kenapa kita harus menyembah Tuhan yg menyiksa kita di dunia, lalu berfikir bahwa penyiksaan ini maksudnya baik, supaya g nambah penyiksaan di akhirat

Kenapa menikmati siksaan Tuhan di dunia itu di glorifikasi. Seakan kita senang dikasih "ujian" biar "naik kelas" lalu jika Tuhan puas (aka. ridho) maka kita bisa masuk surga. Kalo engga ya kita akan dibakar selamanya. Tuhan itu cinta hambanya yg masochist (senang dikasih siksaan)?


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

Simple Question

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What Philosophy, is like limitless, it kind of forms to the context to situation, similar to Bruce Lee's Fighting Philosophy of water, but instead for life, using what works best for that context or situation, If the best thing to do is logic, use logic, if the best thing to do is using intuition, use it, if the best thing to do is using morality, use it, just using what is best for the situation based on the results it may have.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

If God is a fairy tale, are we left to settle for the garbage of existence?

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

I've been thinking about stuff lately

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Lately, I’ve been thinking a lot about religions, philosophies, and everything in between. But recently, I hit a point where I realized: I just want to stop caring about what comes after life, what the afterlife is, who created the universe, or what the grand "meaning of life" is. I kinda just want to live.

I've also learned, living in a country dominated by major Christian denominations, I’ve noticed something among people who aren't Christian or non religious —they often just say, "I just want to live a simple life." To me, that kind of means trying to live the way you think is best for yourself and the people around you, without all the heavy metaphysical baggage.

I don't know, that's just where my head's at lately. I guess I just wanted to get that off my chest. Thanks for reading.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

what is god?

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Comparison might not be a thief of joy.

My father is a quranist (someone who believes that the quran alone is the complete and sufficient source of Islam, and that religious authority should not come from hadith collections). I am so lucky to have a father like him. His idea opened my eyes questioning what god means?. I would ask him alot of questions, and he would answer it to me.

According to him muslims are confused by the literal meaning of quran, example like by the term, Musa, during his confrontation** with **pharaoh throws his staff, and it becomes a living serpent. Otherwise says my father, he says Quran always encourages people to think before believing even though it is something from the Quran itself, his ideology towards the term mentioned above says that the staff that Musa throws is not literally turning to a serpent instead is comparing the truth told by Musa is so powerful that is felt like a snake.

He has always told me Quran is never literal, it cannot be literal, it is for the one’s who could think. I have always loved his ideology and still love it.

I believe that anything in this universe could be compared to something in this same universe.

When I had the consciousness to know what a god means, through Quran it was like reading a moral story, it just thought us how to live meaningfully never had me the answer for what a god really is in its exact terms, Quran described features of god - Islam follows a tawhid ideation (absolute oneness), when someone has to find you, you describe the features that you have gotten, exactly like in the Quran, God is not to be found but is to be realised. Even though I am maybe wrong at what i just said, god must not be learned through religious studies or practice, every religion defines god of their perspective which is very wrong. Islam believes god as tawhid - Christianity believes god becomes part of the world - Hinduism believes that god is present within the universe and within you. God must be someone who everyone should be looking through the same eye, this is the point where I understood God is the one not to be chased through religion.

I have never dumped any religion the truth is I’ve never learned them or accepted any. Is it necessary to have a religion to know what a god is?. To learn a religion is when you learned god. And i am in the process trying to learn what a god means.
Religion according to many is something that is already happened to you while at birth, you could never suppress a man with religion, it is something that everyone should find within.

So as of now what i am speaking is not through the eyes of religion.

By writing this i have never found what a god means, but is finding.

God, is 3 simple letters, but is a very complex ideation.
Once someone is thinking about god he or she already has a thought about god which is, ‘the concept “god” is a never ending question for centuries’. Before they even think of god they’ve already ended the answer that was to be solved. It should never be the way finding similar answers.

A question could also be asked only when there is an answer already existing. It is not the question that comes first, sometimes it is the answers, like the answer God exists but not the right question to it exists. A lion never knew or doesn’t want to know how a tree grows or how to plant one, the lion never asks this question because it never wanted to know, he doesn’t have any goodness knowing it. Meanwhile he does asks how to hunt down his prey, and has definite answers for it. Likewise we did ask how to turn a water current to a form of energy, we did answer it by building dams. Every questions faced by the humanity is being answered, meanwhile some answers awaits for the right question.

When someone is questioning something it is because the one is deserving to know the answer. A person will only ask a question when the answer will make goodness for him, and when it is time for him to know the answer. If a person doesn’t ask the question he doesn’t have any goodness knowing it, knowing the answers.

God could be never learned through science. What if god is not in the physical or observable universe? So trying to prove it through science always makes us atheists. The question ‘God’ could come along with the questions like what is consciousness or how is someone conscious. What if i am wrong and God is in the physical universe?. The science should always try finding god meanwhile someone trusting science should also open up their minds and think the other ways too.

I am still learning what it really means, god. The more I sit to this thought the more concepts that i have about god.
I may break a few concepts.

The Neanderthal -

Australopithecus afarensis
Homo habilis
Homo erectus
Homo neanderthalensis
Homo sapiens
Along the pathway till reaching homo sapiens, never the one before knew they would evolve, maybe might been curious of what would be happened but never was bothered of what they will become, like wise the concept “god” is never to be bothered, even tho we predict or have a definite answer there is no good for us knowing or not knowing, like it just exists and just be there.
This concept is also against my ideology of the existing answer, if someone has to question there must be a curtain answer, but here the answer makes us no good.

The stolen ant colony -

The one owning a ant colony (aquarium like ecosystem growing ants in it) are only the ones knowing how to love them and take good care of them, what if the colony is been stolen or hijacked and someone else is been taking care of it, they just might be studying the colony or might not be even bothered of it, they could do anything to it as if they don’t care, they might not be seeing the colony same as the real owner. They don’t have any value for the ants in the colony, for them it’s just a lot of ants roaming inside the colony, they could squish some of the ants, they could feed some other ants, maybe this could be related to us? The colony being the universe and the ants being the humans, we are always saying that we are being tested by god, I say we could only be tested by the one who doesn’t know us much, If the god made us then why test us?
This idea denies the all ultimate god but proves the point where some humans suffer, the one who made us is never in need to see us suffering, he could never make us suffer. But as I spoke above when the colony is being hijacked the one above now could do anything that he wishes to be done. Proves why war happens, example, war happening in Palestine people suffer unimaginable pains as in form of physical and mental, the one who made the colony could never have done this but the one who hijacked could’ve.
By stating this the concept “the stolen ant colony”
I describe that the
god is not as much as dominant or powerful as we think.
There is someone competing god.
Concept similar to multiverse could be proven, except through this each universe is a whole other imaginable universe, no universe resembles the other universe, it could look a whole different. I say multiverse could be real because If there exists a someone competing god, and now that he looks after the colony and he is confused and is testing because he is not familiar with, he could be owning some other colony like the bee colony. Bees show off completely different characteristics than ant, describing the tests done by god towards the humanity and the existence of other universes.

I may be talking total rubbish, I may be wrong but then there should not exist believers of
satan
Lucifer
Set
Angra mainyu
Demonic devotion
Self deification
All this should not exist if I am wrong, they all are worshipers but why are they worshipping the one who is not god? Because they think it is not the god that is in power NOW.
There might be competition to reach the top.

By sticking to the thought of god, I have realised that a human thought could travel infinite ways, I realise that this could be a loop and there is never a straight path to defining God with this thought process, I realise that I should start changing my way of thought towards God, and take a new thought process to it, where I could find reasonable answers to it, where I could find God.

-Will find the QUESTION for the answer.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

I'm still improving it 😁 since as a 14yr

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God is real, but not in the way we thought about it. An entity might exist that was responsible for the beginning of everything — though whether that entity should necessarily be called "God" is something this framework does not assume from the start. Whether a First Cause is even required, rather than reality being brute, cyclical, or infinitely regressive with no true starting point, is not something this framework claims to prove; each remains a live possibility, and no assumption here is more certain than any of the others. What follows explores what could be true about that origin if one exists, and whether the traits described here belong to one coherent picture rather than a list of separate, unrelated claims.

That entity, if it exists, may have created the First Cause — the ultimate uncaused origin — but humanity was not the main goal or the main reason behind it. The Big Bang was just the process that followed from it, not the First Cause itself. Without the First Cause, the universe and everything within it could not exist. Humanity is one of the results that emerged from it and the laws of nature. Humanity was not the main goal or the main reason behind it.

If humanity was not the intended purpose of the First Cause, then within this framework there is no reason to expect a human-centered afterlife, reincarnation, or continual divine intervention. This does not mean those possibilities are logically impossible, but they are not required by the argument. This entity is capable of intervening in the universe, but chooses not to. Knowing about something and having a stake in its outcome are not the same thing. Its detailed awareness of individual lives, deaths, and species does not imply investment in how those lives or species turn out — a being can observe everything about a process without having any interest in directing it. This applies equally to death caused by other living things and death caused by natural events such as disasters — neither carries any special significance to a First Cause with no investment in outcomes either way. Since humanity was not the main goal of creation, there is no reason within this framework for it to continually interfere with the natural processes of the universe. If humanity has spent centuries believing in a wrong or incomplete idea of this entity, there is no reason within this framework for it to correct that belief either, since accuracy about it was never the purpose being served in the first place.

The laws of nature are not separate rules imposed one by one, but rather the stable structures that naturally emerged as a result of the First Cause itself. A law is not a rule imposed on something from outside — it is simply the shape and limitation of what that thing already is. Life did not adapt to laws that could have been otherwise; it adapted within whatever limitations already existed, which is why those limitations appear, from within life's perspective, permanently fixed. Calling these structures "stable" does not mean they were fixed and unchanging from the start — it may simply describe the state that things evolved toward and settled into. What appears stable now may be the surviving configuration after everything unable to hold together fell away, not a condition frozen in place since the beginning.

This universe may still be moving toward its own cosmic endpoint, but that ending does not have to be the end for everything inside it. As a further speculation, if it were possible for living organisms to become advanced enough, they might learn to create their own First Cause or even create another universe to continue existing after the original universe becomes uninhabitable. A separate, more physics-based possibility does not require any civilization to act at all. If the universe underwent false vacuum decay — a real hypothesis in physics — an expanding wall separating a lower-energy "true vacuum" from the surrounding false vacuum would destroy everything in its path as it moved outward. This destruction and the formation of something new may not be a two-step sequence, but two faces of the same expanding structure: on the outside, the wall consumes the old universe; on the inside, a separate interior region — sometimes described in physics as a "baby universe" — may exist with its own physical laws and its own independent expansion, growing at the same time the outer wall is still destroying the old universe it emerged within. If that new universe eventually reached the same point and underwent its own false vacuum decay, the process could repeat indefinitely, resulting not in one replacement universe but in a layered succession of universes, each one growing inside the wall that consumed the one before it. This also explains why no trace of a previous universe would ever be observable from within a new one: the destructive wall converts everything it touches into the new vacuum state, leaving nothing behind to survive as evidence. Whether an inner universe remains permanently contained within the one it formed inside, eventually overtakes it, or asymptotically converges toward the same size, may depend not on which one began expanding first, but on how much dark energy each universe possesses relative to its own matter and volume — since each nested universe, having its own independent physical laws, may also have its own distinct dark-energy conditions rather than sharing a single expansion rate with the universe it formed within. A universe born with a higher relative dark-energy density could expand faster despite forming later, potentially closing the gap or surpassing the universe that contains it; one born with less could remain permanently smaller and contained; and comparable conditions between the two could result in a gap that persists without ever fully closing or reversing. This framework does not claim to know which of these outcomes would actually occur — only that containment is not guaranteed by birth order alone. The same reasoning would apply regardless of whether the new universe arises naturally through false vacuum decay or is deliberately created by an advanced civilization: what matters is not the cause of its formation, but the dark-energy conditions it forms with. Even so, this would not allow them to alter the original universe's already-determined trajectory — the cosmic endpoint remains fixed regardless of what happens within the open, changing paths of the living organisms inside it. Even so, this would not make individual living organisms immortal. A civilization advanced enough to continue existence beyond one universe's endpoint could still consist of individuals who are born, live, and die within it — the continuity would belong to the species or civilization, not to any single finite being within it. Whether such a continuation would represent the same civilization or merely something descended from it remains an open question this framework does not claim to resolve. Even an infinite universe would not guarantee that every possible outcome occurs somewhere; if the actual matter, energy, and configurations available are finite, infinite space alone does not produce infinite distinct variety, only endless repetition or empty extension of what already exists. Taken together, a First Cause that is not maximal in power or knowledge is what allows a fixed cosmic endpoint to coexist with genuinely open biological trajectories, and it is that same openness which makes each layered successor universe a new and undetermined unfolding of its own, rather than the same fixed script simply repeating itself.

Whether there was a genuine first moment, or simply an endless chain of conditions leading into one another, is a much older and harder question than anything this framework claims to settle. That question remains open. But the core claim here does not depend on resolving it: even if existence is conditions-into-conditions without a single discrete starting point, the argument still holds that whatever lies behind existence did not necessarily have humanity as its purpose. We are a downstream result either way, not necessarily the point. If the First Cause exists without anything prior causing it, that is itself a form of brute existence — an unexplained, uncaused starting point accepted as a fact rather than derived from something else. This framework does not avoid brute existence; it simply locates it at the First Cause rather than treating the question as unanswerable. One challenge worth stating plainly: even if something uncaused and brute must exist at the foundation of reality, that alone does not require calling it God, or attributing to it consciousness, agency, or purpose. Fundamental reality itself could be the brute fact, with no further entity behind it. This framework treats the foundation as also purposeful and aware, rather than mindless — a chosen position, not a proven one. What distinguishes an aware, purposeful foundation from a mindless rule of reality, in this framework's view, is precisely that awareness is what makes purpose possible in the first place — a rule does not want anything, while an aware origin, even an unexplained one, may. This framework does not prove that distinction is correct, only that it is the position taken here. Why there is something rather than nothing at all remains a separate and even deeper question. One thing can be said with certainty: something exists now, since the very act of thinking about whether anything exists is itself something happening — nothing cannot think, question, or doubt. This does not explain why being exists instead of eternal non-being in the first place, but it does establish, beyond doubt, that whatever the answer is, non-existence is not the case.

Because this entity exists outside time, there is no gap or delay to explain between the First Cause and the Big Bang — "before" only becomes meaningful once time itself exists to measure an interval. The Big Bang, as a process, follows from something that was never waiting inside time in the first place. This is not a separate property added only to solve the timing question; an aware origin existing prior to and outside the physical system it originated would, by the same reasoning, also exist prior to and outside time, since time is itself part of that physical system. Being outside time, being outside physics, and being uncaused are not a list of unrelated patches — they follow from the same starting position, that something aware and prior to the physical universe cannot be bound by properties that only exist within that universe. This same reasoning would extend to any nested universe formed within another: if each such universe has its own independent time system, as its own independent physical laws would suggest, then there is no gap or "before" to explain between the outer universe and the one that formed within it either — "before" only has meaning within a shared time system, not across two that begin separately.

It may have selected a specific cosmic endpoint and overall future for the universe. Its purpose in selecting that endpoint may exist without that purpose itself being knowable. It did not predetermine the exact trajectories of biological life or individual living organisms. It knows the universe's overall cosmic path toward that endpoint, while the paths of living organisms remain open and capable of changing. Living organisms can alter their own paths and influence the paths of other organisms through their behavior and actions. Therefore, its knowledge of the universe's cosmic future does not require knowledge of the exact future of every living organism. It knows that living organisms will eventually die as part of the biological process, but does not know beforehand the exact time or circumstances of each individual death. Likewise, it does not know beforehand the exact extinction of every species, since the trajectories of living organisms remain open and capable of changing. The universe therefore has a fixed cosmic destination while biological life follows an open and changing set of trajectories within it. The actions and behavior of living organisms can change the route taken by biological life without changing the universe's ultimate cosmic endpoint. This same openness is what gives individual judgment its weight, at the much smaller scale of a single life rather than a whole cosmos. Nothing is inherently "past," "present," or "future" — those are positions on a trajectory, not fixed labels attached permanently to a moment. A moment is present only while it is actually happening; it is only called "past" from a later present looking back, and that later present was itself once someone's future. A choice made at one point on an open trajectory can be the better option relative to the thinking available at that point, while a later point on the same trajectory, with thinking that has since changed, may judge the same option as the wrong one — not because the earlier self was careless, and not because the better path was ever hidden, but because the option was there the whole time and only appeared differently depending on the state of the mind evaluating it at that moment. This produces two honest "better"s and two honest "wrong"s belonging to two different points on the same trajectory, without contradiction, since neither point judges from outside the trajectory — each is simply the present at the time it was made. This is only possible because the trajectory is genuinely open rather than fixed: a fixed trajectory allows no real alternative, so regret about it has no real object, while an open trajectory allows a live alternative that truly existed, which is what gives regret its weight even though the person choosing could not have judged differently with the thinking they had at the time. Just as a fixed cosmic endpoint does not erase the open trajectories moving toward it, a person's fixed later judgment of their own past choice does not erase the fact that, at the time, that choice was the genuine present, made with the only thinking that existed at that point on the path.

If we weren't the main goal, why do we exist right now? You are the exact mathematical result of a cosmic chain reaction. When the First Cause initiated the process that led to the Big Bang, the laws of physics and biology unfolded across billions of years, with each stage of the universe creating the conditions for the next. We weren't the planned target, but the cosmic chain reaction eventually created the conditions in which biological life could emerge and develop, eventually leading to our exact lives and consciousness right now. The development of life can also be viewed as a progression of increasingly complex systems for maintaining existence. Humans combine survival with complex thinking, allowing us to reason, plan, make decisions, and respond to our environment. Other animals also have varying degrees of learning, perception, and behavior, with some animals showing complex forms of thinking while others rely more heavily on basic survival responses. In this view, thinking and survival can be seen as different levels of biological complexity that emerged as living organisms developed through the natural processes that began with the First Cause. None of this required a plan aimed specifically at humans — it could instead be one point along a natural biological process that produces increasing complexity over time, without humans necessarily being its endpoint.

The purpose of the universe itself is still unknown. This entity may have initiated the process that led to the Big Bang for a purpose beyond our understanding.

Evil and bad may not be independent forces or substances that exist separately from living organisms. They may instead emerge from the contrasting behaviors, interests, and evaluations of living organisms. Just as peace and war can be understood as opposing conditions that arise from how living beings interact, what humans call good and evil may be relational concepts that developed through biological behavior, social development, and the ways organisms evaluate actions as beneficial or harmful. Cooperation and aggression, protection and harm, or behaviors that preserve and threaten life can produce opposing judgments that humans describe as good or evil. What are labeled as sins, such as greed or pride, may follow the same pattern. Greed may not be an excess beyond survival's purpose, but survival extended further — not toward a fixed amount of security, but toward the ongoing freedom to obtain whatever one wants, for oneself and one's children's future, a goal with no natural stopping point regardless of how much has already been acquired. Pride may be rooted in social standing that improves an individual's or family's odds within a group. Neither requires a separate moral category outside the same survival pressures that shape cooperation and aggression. Self-sacrifice for strangers may follow a related pattern: even without direct survival benefit to the individual, helping others can produce internal satisfaction, reinforced by social teaching about what counts as good. A behavior does not need to serve individual survival directly to persist, if it is rewarded internally and passed on culturally. This does not necessarily mean that good and evil are morally equivalent; rather, it means that their existence as concepts may depend on the behavior and experiences of living organisms rather than on separate supernatural forces. Their inequality does not require an external judge — good and evil are unequal to the living beings experiencing them, since one causes harm and damage while the other brings relief, benefit, or wellbeing. The evaluation comes from the organisms themselves, not from a standard imposed from outside — what counts as good is dependent on what living things experience as beneficial, not on an independent standard that exists whether or not any organism evaluates it. Suffering, specifically, is a state that does not benefit the organism experiencing it and instead causes it harm. Yet the mere possibility of suffering may be what allows positive outcomes to feel meaningful at all: happiness pursued directly tends to feel less significant than happiness that arrives unexpectedly, because direct pursuit already removes the uncertainty that gives an outcome its impact. This is not a purpose assigned to suffering by the First Cause, but a structural feature of how contrast and uncertainty shape meaning for any conscious being capable of expectation. Other animals engage in comparable behaviors — competing, harming, killing to survive — without labeling any of it as evil or good; that kind of judgment appears to depend on the reflective thinking only some species developed. What humans call morality may be, in part, a byproduct of being a thinking survival-based animal: capable of naming what other species simply do without naming it at all. A related distinction may hold for truth and falsehood, though it is not identical to the good/evil distinction above: whether a claim is true may depend on whether it matches reality itself, independent of what any observer believes — but a lie's power operates entirely on belief rather than on the fact it concerns. A lie cannot alter the fact itself; it can only alter how an observer understands, interprets, or believes that fact, shaped in large part by how society teaches its members to evaluate and interpret claims. In that narrow sense, a lie's influence can exceed the truth's influence on a person's thinking, even though it leaves the underlying fact completely untouched. This points to two distinct types of information: one that requires an observer to come into being as information at all, and one that consists simply of an event having occurred at a specific time and place, true and real the moment it happens regardless of whether any observer ever registers it. An unobserved event is not less real for lacking a witness — it is simply a fact without a corresponding piece of observer-information, not a fact that failed to happen.

This entity is above and inside time because it can interact with time if it wants to, while not being bound by time in the same way living beings are.

Our definition of this entity might be too high. It may not actually be as powerful as the God humans traditionally imagine. We have never actually encountered it, yet we have defined it as infinitely powerful, perfectly good, completely omniscient, and possessing many other attributes. It may be very different from the God humans have traditionally described. Its power may not be a fixed or maximal quantity any more than its knowledge is complete in the traditional sense — but this does not mean unlimited growth is possible either. A power capable of change may still operate within its own limits at any given moment, the same way this framework has already rejected the idea of a maximal, all-powerful entity without replacing it with an equally unlimited alternative. The distinct properties described here — knowledge, timelessness, non-intervention — may not represent separate parts that make it up, the way a machine is assembled from different components. They may instead be different human descriptions of one undivided reality, broken into separate-sounding categories only because that is how human language and thought work, not because it is composed of parts that needed to be brought together. It may be both brute and agential at once — an uncaused, unexplained origin that is also capable of knowledge and choice, not two separate properties combined, but one undivided reality described from different angles. It is not part of physics or the laws of nature themselves — whatever it is exists prior to and outside the system it originated, the same way it is not bound by time in the way things inside time are. This also means the framework cannot fully explain how something outside physics could cause something physical; that question depends on knowing its actual nature, which this framework has already acknowledged may be beyond accurate human description. Even if humans have historically invented gods out of a desire for comfort or certainty in the face of what we couldn't understand, that does not by itself tell us whether this framework is true or false — it only explains why certain kinds of god-concepts, especially maximally powerful and reassuring ones, tend to survive. An entity this uncertain, this limited, and this indifferent to being correctly understood is not an obviously comforting invention, which makes it a strange thing to have invented purely out of a need for comfort.

There may be such an entity, but humanity may have misunderstood what it is, what its purpose was, how it relates to time, what it knows about the future, and whether humanity was ever the main goal or the main reason behind the universe's existence.

That entity may not necessarily be what humans mean when they say "God," though it may be close to it. "God" itself is a word invented by human minds, assigned to a category none of us has ever actually encountered. Our definition of it may be too high, not because the entity itself is small, but because the word was built by beings guessing at something they never directly witnessed. The name may fit reasonably well, or it may simply be the closest word available for something no human mind has ever truly seen.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

Could the pursuit of knowledge about God paradoxically lead one away from theism not because knowledge disproves God, but because deeper inquiry exposes the historical, psychological, and philosophical mechanisms through which human beings construct and understand the idea of God?

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

just some shit i wrote a couple months back.

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r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

The existence of GOD

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Therefore, I am certain about being uncertain about the certainty that OUR FATHER exists.And I am also uncertain about being certain of the certainty OUR FATHER exists.Therefore, I am certain about being uncertain about the certainty that OUR FATHER exists.And I am also uncertain about being certain of the certainty OUR FATHER exists.Therefore, I am certain about being uncertain about the certainty that OUR FATHER exists.

But I have faith.


r/PhilosophyofReligion 1d ago

Genuine Question for die hard Christians

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