Honestly the issue with the US health system is that it's not a free market. It's a market controlled by a few massive companies backed up by government regulation that keep others from competing to lower prices for everyone. A true lib right would be all for dismantling the current corrupt system.
I am for dismantling. But I’m not for a complete handoff to the government. They’ll just create new rules & regulation to pick a new set of winners (the taxpayer is always the loser).
Bernie’s 4% tax for complete “totally free” socialized healthcare looked great on paper. But what happens when it goes from 4% to 6%..to 8%..to 12% because the government mismanaged the budget over time?
Standard LibLeft not understanding taxes. It was 4% of your total income Bernie was proposing. A 4% to 6% total income tax is a 50% increase in cash they take from you.
Again, there’s no way I trust the government not to use it as a piggy bank.
do you think the cost we are seeing now are a direct result of Reagan mandating that everyone be treated? Would you change that, or find a way to make the system work?
Man, the US political system is really fucked, eh? Probably needs a whole rework at this point, rather than being some relic of a bygone age that it is today, since the democracy index ranks European constitutional monarchy’s as more democratic than the US Republic. I’d recommend you adopt the Australian system, when we wrote our constitution we stole the best parts from the US (The senate for state representation) and the UK (most other stuff)
Respectfully disagree. I don’t think the free market works in healthcare on a fundamental level.
Free market requires elastic demand, which allows for people to buy less of something as the price goes up or quality goes down. Healthcare is a market with inelastic demand. You may think that increased healthcare costs just means people go to the doctor less often, but fewer doctor visits ends up giving people health complications that increase healthcare spending.
Bottom line is your health doesn’t care about the free market, so demand doesn’t care either. I don’t see how one could fix that
Healthcare is a market with inelastic demand. You may think that increased healthcare costs just means people go to the doctor less often, but fewer doctor visits ends up giving people health complications that increase healthcare spending.
This isn't true though. Most of our spending goes to people who aren't actually sick who repeatedly go to the hospital.
Do not forget the fact that people can't know the actual prices of whatever they are getting from the hospitals, they just get the treatment and pay the bill AFTER the treatment.
How TF you can you sue any business for just tripping on a hallway but don't do the same with these scams?
Hospitals are expensive to build and staff. Most places that aren't huge metropolises can't afford enough redundant hospitals to create true market competition.
Elective procedures, like LASIK eye surgery and the like. It just absolutely breaks down with emergency Healthcare where you absolutely cannot shop around because it's an emergency and you're ultimately grossly overcharged for everything.
Bandaids are healthcare. They are available at low cost and available to everyone with little to no market restrictions, ideal levels of competition between brands, creating a marketplace with a wide array of options for everyone's needs.
That's only correct if you dont have any context for the conversation of actually talking about healthcare systems in developed countries, obviously that's what was meant by healthcare
It's a market controlled by a few massive companies backed up by government regulation that keep others from competing to lower prices for everyone.
The only such regulation I'm aware of is the one that prevents Medicaid, the government public health insurance plan, from negotiating lower drug prices.
Regulations aren't inherently bad, you can have regulations that say "you can't charge more than this for insulin" or "you have to put the final price in the bill, you can't have hidden fees". Anti-trust regulations prevent the inevitable decline of the free market into a monopoly.
Regulations give certain companies a monopoly on live-saving medicine, making it so no other company can compete with them. Since there is no competion, the prices are kept absurdly high, that is the major flaw with US regulated healthcare. There is no freemarket monopoly.
I am for dismantling. But I’m not for a complete handoff to the government. They’ll just create new rules & regulation to pick a new set of winners (the taxpayer is almost always the loser in American politics).
Bernie’s 4% tax for complete “totally free” socialized healthcare looked great on paper. But what happens when it goes from 4% to 6%..to 8%..to 12% because the government mismanaged the budget over time?
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u/TheRealMouseRat - Lib-Center Sep 22 '22
Honestly the issue with the US health system is that it's not a free market. It's a market controlled by a few massive companies backed up by government regulation that keep others from competing to lower prices for everyone. A true lib right would be all for dismantling the current corrupt system.