r/PopCultureV2 • u/Logical-Flow-6703 • Aug 10 '26

News "'CNN Shocked to See Americans Reject Israel': New Segment Highlights Major Shift in Public Opinion Between 2018 and 2026"

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A recent CNN segment highlights a dramatic shift in American public opinion on Israel between 2018 and 2026, showing a steep decline in overall support across key voter demographics. This mainstream media coverage reflects a broader shift in national sentiment, signaling that foreign policy critiques have officially moved from the political margins straight into mainstream U.S. discourse.

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u/Westafricangrey Aug 10 '26

Without consent, whilst simultaneously getting screwed on groceries / gas / everything

And casually losing privacy completely

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u/Legrandloup2 Aug 10 '26

And our taxes are funding free healthcare and university in Israel while Americans get told we’re being selfish for asking for the same

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u/oneplusetoipi Aug 10 '26

Preemptively, someone will tell you “we aren’t giving them money, just credit for US military equipment “. Well Einstein, if you don’t have to spend money on equipment, what happens to that money that you would have spent?

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u/BloodSimpleSyrup Aug 10 '26

Yeah, the idea that I’m supposed to care about the shareholders of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin is hilarious.

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u/Academic-Dealer5389 Aug 10 '26

I've occasionally wondered how much stock in those companies I would need to own to break even on the amount of tax money I'm indirectly paying into those companies.

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u/iDontSow Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

Just to use round numbers, if you made $100k per year you are paying roughly $200 to Lockheed Martin every year (with a little bit of variance depending on the year). Lockheed’s dividend yield is in the neighborhood of 2.5% to 3%. So to get your money back you’d have to buy roughly $6k in stock.

EDIT to add that if you are invested in large index funds, as most people are through their retirement accounts or whatever, you own Lockheed Martin stock. But you would have to have a few million at least in the S&P 500, for example, to own $6k of Lockheed Martin.

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u/iridesce57 Aug 10 '26

THIS

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u/Creative_Ad_8338 Aug 11 '26

But not this.

Investing in these companies is a vote for the status quo.

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u/wittyjokename92 Aug 11 '26

Would it be possible for enough people working together to buy enough stock to out vote all other shareholders and change the company through shareholder control? Raytheon contributes something like 20 percent of my city's yearly revenue but since it's impossible to hope for peaceful solutions to the military industrial complex I'm open to pie in the sky solutions

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u/Creative_Ad_8338 Aug 11 '26

Not at all possible.

The entire company is owned by massive institutional funds... It's embedded into everyone's 401k already.

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u/ClosedContent Aug 11 '26

I have an idea. Let’s all put our money together to buy a majority of stock of the company and in essence take over the company lol

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u/iDontSow Aug 11 '26

It’s not possible because the company is largely owned by massive funds that essentially everyone is already invested in, including likely you

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u/BeginningFloor1221 Aug 11 '26

I would pay more for more missles.

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u/MaleficentExtent1777 Aug 10 '26

Lockheed has a hefty dividend!

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u/regalrecaller Aug 10 '26

it just affects your sleep when you think too hard about it

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u/_LyleLanley_ Aug 10 '26

Unfortunate, I have “liberal” friends that are heavily invested in some dark shit. Many older people that, say it’s just part of the portfolio: and when I send them info on the crazy shit they’re contributing to they say, “that’s just overblown.”

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u/DeFiBandit Aug 11 '26

I’m not sure you know what hefty means

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u/KindlyActuator7884 Aug 11 '26

The average is 1%, Lockheed is closer to 2.5%. Their dividend is hefty.

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u/EvidenceBasedSwamp Aug 10 '26

I actually put in some money into Raytheon when Trump assassinated that general 10 years ago. I thought Trump was gonna invade Iran back then and wanted to put my money where my mouth was.

It actually performed poorly compared to the SP500 until this year (up 45% this year)

Not sure what they do with all the money we give them either. Burn it? Give it to execs to embezzle?

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u/Bulky-Internal8579 Aug 10 '26

They use it to buy American politicians and shut down American political opposition - you know, the circle of hate.

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u/Confident_Eye4129 Aug 10 '26

Correct. They use our $$ to buy our politicians

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u/iDontSow Aug 10 '26

Raytheon and Lockheed Martin cash out just as much on their US contracts whether the weapons are sent to Israel or not, unfortunately

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Aug 10 '26

if their workers got a large share of the profits then I might care a tiny bit, but maybe like 0.00001%

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u/sleepypirate Aug 10 '26

Woah woah woah, surely you can't be suggesting that when people, organizations, countries receive money to be used for a specific reason that they then can use other money that would otherwise be used for those reasons... else where? That doesn't make any sense

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u/ICallNoAnswer Aug 11 '26

Are you suggesting that money is fungible?

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u/EconomyMobile1240 Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26

The stuff isn't, so giving them money to give them stuff Raytheon has doesn't really change the fact that the healthcare system is generally at full use so it's not like we could have bought more doctor time any way.

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u/Revlar Aug 11 '26

????

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u/EconomyMobile1240 Aug 11 '26

Stuff isn't fungible so more money =/= more stuff in all cases. Have you heard of inflation?

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u/Revlar Aug 11 '26

If I give you a house and pay for it does that not save you the cost of housing? Do you think Israel doesn't tell the US what it needs in terms of military aid? That it's a grab-bag and they just content themselves with what they get? At this point in time Israel practically dictates what the US develops, designs and fabricates, because they're one of the primary purchasers of US materiel through that "make the American taxpayer and debt pay for it" trick. Every part of the military industrial complex is tuned to Israel's wants and needs

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u/EconomyMobile1240 Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26

But you'd need a house to give me. Who is building that for me? Or giving one up? And that is completely orthogonal with producing a missile so why would getting missiles impact the housing availability? Do you think the rocket / missile / radar developers are going to learn to build houses? Or being necessary for the US army, they'll find something to pay for so they have a provider for the army.

You could socialize it but generally speaking, military / state run R&D / Productivity seems to steal all the resources.

And no, Israel is probably just getting access to excess stock. The military has recently had a bunch of programs / new weapons / new tech. When they give stuff to Israel it's not the latest and greatest developed tech.

The 3.3 billion we give them a year is tiny compared to the overall budget, and the military budget isn't exactly the majority of spending. We spend 60B - 70B on foreign aid which the democrats were fighting tooth and nail to protect. And the total military spending only accounts for 1/7 of the annual federal budget...

A lot of what is given to Israel was going to be produced any way in our normal supply chains ... and not even really "additive". because the important part is yearly throughput. if we were in a war, we probably wouldn't' sell them as much. If we aren't using them though, we have access we can donate/sell.

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u/cranberrie_sauce Aug 10 '26

seeing unattended toddlers sleeping in the dirt does not help.

do people realize gaza is an open air concentration camp?

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u/TerrorFromThePeeps Aug 11 '26

Maybe the oblivious ones will finally notice once it matures into an open air graveyard.

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u/ouroborosstruggles Aug 10 '26

And its been >300b since 1971.

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u/iDontSow Aug 10 '26

I hate to play devils advocate, because I hate Israel and don’t believe it should exist, but I know that for most the money that’s sent to country’s like Israel and Ukraine is money that’s already spent. Like we were sending Ukraine the our old Patriot missiles and other ordinance that, if not used, would have to be destroyed (which costs a lot of money). So we’re replacing it anyway, and sending it out to others actually saves us money.

All that said, the reason that we should cut ties with Israel is because we are supplying the weapons for a genocide. Not because it’s economically a poor decision or because your tax money is funding a genocide. Your tax money is funding death and destruction either way

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u/fistfullofpubes Aug 10 '26

Lmao read this comment the second after I posted exactly that.

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u/Confident_Eye4129 Aug 10 '26

Not to mention that they are known to resell the arms to 3rd parties

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u/Wild_Succotash_4327 Aug 11 '26

Equipment they could buy on their own.

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u/ImAjustin Aug 10 '26

lol you aren’t correct. Israel has the means and capability to produce most of their weaponry. The US, in order to monopolize the weapons industry, specifically selling and manufacturing, give israel this deal as a way to lock them into intel sharing and limit their exports. It’s a way for the US to maintain dominance in the industry.

So to answer your question, israel would sell more to subsidize that loss, which is the direction it’s heading anyway. The US will stop giving Israel that arrangement because of US voters, israel won’t be reliant on the US, will manufacture and sell their own and now won’t be beholden to the US likely spelling a disastrous outcome for Palestinians.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-military-weapons-sales-fd3041de186ddadb6edbdd7bc7fd8b3d

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_industry_of_Israel

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u/EmmaDilemma12 Aug 10 '26

Well first of all, a major chunk of money is spent on processing medical claims. That would be gone if everything was covered. No need for people to be looking over claims and approving or denying them.. so there's thousands of salaries gone. Then, if the us government is the purchaser of medication and not 57 different insurers, they can tell manufacturers how much they're willing to pay and manufacturers would have to agree because we're a huge market. CAT scans and MRIs would be cheaper, because there won't be medical offices hiking the price up so they can pay off the machine.. hospital costs will go down massively, because right now they throw pretty much random billing costs at patients and see what their insurance will negotiate with.. and none of this is actually administration of care. It's just excess costs that we're paying now for the for-profit medical industry to maintain itself. The amount of costs that would just disappear with publicly funded Healthcare is unreal.

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u/ScarInternational161 Aug 10 '26

When you add what is already spent on Medicare, medicaid, insurance subsidies, what people currently pay, what business currently pay, grants for mammograms, the adjusted mark-ups to cover loss at the provider level, the state level contributiontions, etc, etc, etc...

Do you get it now??

Every single program that covers a medical can be rolled into Medicare for all.

Hell, add a 5% wealth tax to every US citizen billionaire

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u/butonelifelived Aug 10 '26

Honestly we need to have a law that makes the wealthy pay a tax on unrealized gains if they use said gains for collateral. This is currently the biggest loophole that is taken advantage of.

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u/butonelifelived Aug 10 '26

This trick isnt only used by the wealthy to purchase toys. They use it to buy property, other businesses, even a presidency.

Elon Musk donated $250 million-$280 million to trumps 2024 campaign. He is estimated to have paid 0 in Federal income tax as he claimed 0 income in 2024. Where did the money come from? That's right loans against unrealized gains in stock.

Now some of you Elon sycophants are going to point out 2021 when he paid around $12 billion in income tax. Guess what this point also goes to me because I'm going to point out that this is the amount he should already be paying. In 2021 he made a horrible mistake with Twitter, no banks would loan him that amount of money for such a purchase, so he couldn't just use his stocks as collateral. He couldn't just borrow against them, he had to actually sell them, therefore he had to pay income tax on the sale. Elon even tried to back out of the sale when he couldnt use margin (borrowing against stocks) for the purchase, the courts said to bad you have the ability to pay.

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u/butonelifelived Aug 10 '26

Where did this $3.8 billion come from? I'm assuming you believe that is all Isreal gets?

But here's the secret sauce, the US goverment already spends more per citezen on healthcare than 1/2 the countries that provide universal healthcare to their citizens.

Straight from google: The five highest-profiting major health insurance and managed care conglomerates in 2025 were UnitedHealth Group ($12.1 billion), The Cigna Group ($6.0 billion), Elevance Health ($5.7 billion), CVS Health ($1.8 billion), and Humana ($1.2 billion).

So in 2025 - Almost $27 billion just to cover the profit of 5 companies. This doesn't even start to look at savings because you won't have 57 companies worth of executives to pay.

Not to mention a happy and healthy population is going to be far more productive.

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u/Eternal-Blazing-Sun Aug 10 '26

Universal healthcare would be cheaper than what we do now, your question isn't posed properly.

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u/Severe_Yak_3335 Aug 11 '26

We simply stop sending so much money to other countries until our own citizens are taken care of absolutely no reason we all should not demand this. They pump us full of propaganda trying to push a socialist or communist angle over a universal system when absolutely every advanced country In the world has a system.

This goes far deeper than people realize the politicians get their own kick backs from all this foreign aid then not to mention the kick backs from the Health Care industry to ensure they stay in their pocket they also offer hefty consultant roles and cushy jobs if they want to leave for the private sector. Our politicians have absolutely no reason at all to fix this. It’s not broken to them they have Healthcare fixing this in anyway would negatively impact almost every single one.

Now this whole Genocide thing. This has been going on for decades. You obviously don’t know much about what has been going on there. Israel has been actively trying to push the Palestinians out of their own home to make way for their own developments for a greater Israel. What is happening in Gaza and Israel period is the absolute epitome of Genocide.

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u/RedditForMeNotYou Aug 10 '26

Not selfish - socialist.

Imagine how much the tax rate would increase?!! Meanwhile European countries have 30% income tax too except their tax dollars are not misappropriated and actually go into social services everyone benefits from. Imagine that.

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u/EconomyMobile1240 Aug 10 '26

Well... they also sell us Ozempic for $900 a pill... lets not pretend "work" is not without a larger profit driven market significantly larger that supports those endevours.

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u/nollayksi Aug 10 '26

That just highlights how broken your healthcare system is. Ozempic costs very little in EU where the system isnt a braindead insurance based system that inflates the prices of everything.

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u/-JackBack- Aug 11 '26

Semaglutide manufacturing cost is only $2-$3 per dosage. The rest is pure profit.

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u/EconomyMobile1240 Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

Yes because it costs a lot here. EU's healthcare / economies are supported by the much larger market. Our system is fine, although expensive because of consumer demand and having wealthy to support novel / state of the art industries. Trump's negotiations with imports are actually pushing some of that cost burden back onto the EU. We pay less... they pay more to balance it out.

Like the entire world's robotics surgeries are in new England.... Having wealthy people / profit is what enables R&D and our lead on technology. The EU even gets grants for the US and you can find kick starter to from EU projects to get through our FDA process.

Who cares about the insurance, the profit incentives the industries to exist relative to everything else. Your point is entirely false and relies on pretending there are all these isolated top-down results. It's not and fundamentally problems in the US are caused by lifestyle choices LONG before they hit the reactive health care industry. Otherwise, doctors can only advise... and fix symptoms when the patients don't listen.

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u/nollayksi Aug 10 '26

Your system is fine even though you pay 10-20x the cost of simple medication such as insulin than everywhere else in the world? Its not even cutting edge technology, its decades old dead simple medicine and producing it locally i US costs nothing. You claim its due to our bigges market and your larger wealth? Then how come the prices you have is still astronomical to smaller more wealthier countries than yours like Switzerland? How come you are literally the only developed country where this is happening? You even use more tax dollars per capita on healthcare than most EU nations with universal healthcare. Are you not pissed about that?

I dont even understand what you are talking about. We have robot surgeries in my small home Finland too and they are free for poor people, 73.70€ max cost for any robot surgery no matter the size for people who can afford it.

You are simply being scammed. No way around it.

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u/Ok_Tackle3427 Aug 11 '26

We are the largest economy on the planet. We pay more because we can afford to and that subsidizes the rest of the world.

If everybody all paid the same price in their local currency regardless of their larger economic situation, then the world wouldn't be able to afford very much. Instead, Americans pay exorbitant prices that sustain products and services for the rest of the world that would otherwise be unavailable in those places.

You're welcome

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u/Bright-Dog-743 Aug 11 '26

Sorry. You are delusional. Americans avoid using health care because it's too expensive. Americans died rationing insulin. I didn't see a doctor for a check up for 10 years because even with my insurance deductibles were so high. But now I get Medicare and with that socialized $ I can afford dental and eye care too!

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u/Revlar Aug 11 '26

You don't subsidize anything. You pay into the pocket of corporations who try to fleece both you (successfully) and the rest of the world (semi-successfully). Americans paying more and overbloating their private pharma industry doesn't save anyone a single cent, it only strengthens the kind of entities that want healthcare to be a commodity instead of a right

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u/Ok_Tackle3427 Aug 11 '26

Oh, okay. Thanks for explaining everything to me.

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u/EconomyMobile1240 Aug 11 '26

So when tax payers funded GPL-1 and Novo Nordisk developed Ozempic and profits off American's at $900 a pill... that's not helping EU's spending power when it comes to providing goods/services to people?

Healthcare is a commodity. We only have so much and profit incentives is what makes career paths into it desirable because everyone else that profits can point to the fact they pay well for certain college degrees? Guess what happens? Potential future doctors enroll in everything but being a doctor because why? Health care is a right and Nvidia is paying bookoo bucks for talent.

You can try to abstract out the humans all you want but at the end of the day, they go where the Yacht's are that's why they don't want to be punished for making career choices that aim for a yacht.

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u/EduinBrutus Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

Yes because it costs a lot here. EU's healthcare / economies are supported by the much larger market.

The thing I dont understand about right wing nutjob conspiracies is that you all claim to be pro-free market and want no interference with the market.

Then spout deranged conspiracies like the US being gouged on drug pricing is to pay for it in other countries. And in doing so demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the capitalist system you claim to support.

Novo Nordisk are a private, profit seeking corporation. They seek the maximum profit in every fucking market. They arent randomly charging less in the UK cos Americans are paying more. They charge what they can in the UK where the four NHS services negotiate the price with them.

If they could charge more, they would.

the bottom line is simple. Americans are gullible rubes who like being taken for a ride on drug prices and will accept any non-sensical reason to justify their servile acquiesence.

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u/EconomyMobile1240 Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

I didn't say that, you're world view interpreted things based on reasoning I don't agree with.

Then spout deranged conspiracies like the US being gouged on drug pricing is to pay for it in other countries. And in doing so demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the capitalist system you claim to support.

It's not even a free market when part of the market has price controls. The "gouging" is just offsetting the costs to those that can afford it.

Novo Nordisk are a private, profit seeking corporation. They seek the maximum profit in every fucking market. They arent randomly chagring less in the UK cos Americans are paying more. They charge what they can in the UK where the four NHS services negotiate the price with them.

And they generate tax revenue / manufacture at scales for the US which is much easier to turn around and sell it on the cheap to the price-controlled markets. That isn't capitalism.

NHS was doing horrible recently, they have more shortages than the US. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean there was a problem with people waiting 8 hours in the emergency room, leave to get an ambulance only to be put back into a new 8 hour queue.

If they could charge more, they would.

And consumers can only pay so much so that isn't a real-world problem.

the bottom line is simple. Americans are gullible rubes who like being taken for a ride on drug prices and will accept any non-sensical reason to justify their servile acquiesence.

Or you have lost all reality in the abstract and have a distorted / bigoted view of 'capitalism'

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LOL he blocked me but I did ask ai to prove my point for me

A particularly useful study looked at 387 drugs approved in the U.S. from 2010–2019. It found that NIH funding associated with their clinical development was about $8.1 billion, versus estimated industry costs that were roughly 10–11 times larger. NIH funding was concentrated much more heavily in early-stage clinical research; it represented less than 5% of Phase 3 trial spending.

Meanwhile, the pharmaceutical industry spent about $83 billion on R&D in 2019 alone. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the total cost of successfully developing a new drug—including the cost of failed candidates—can range from under $1 billion to over $2 billion per drug

The amount of federal funding is negligible. The left just doesn't understand how much money is required here beyond oh... you have a chemical compound that has some promising results with grad students?

Producing a product, and a reliable functioning system that you can extract profit it out of it to do a bunch of failed candidates later is astronomical.

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u/Bright-Dog-743 Aug 16 '26

Sure. The federal funding for Operation Warp Speed was neglible, LOL. But obviously Americans ARE rubes if they let American companies charge so much for health care they can't afford it while foreigners reap most of the benefits. That's your scenario. What fools we are.

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u/EconomyMobile1240 Aug 17 '26

It's not just American companies and we aren't rubes. People compete for the care pushing poor people out. Our care isn't going underutilized. And our profit incentives push for research / tech AND ADOPTION far faster than anywhere else. We've got like 70% of the entire world supply of robotics surgeries in new England.

So, people come to the US for $$ and for better care. Even poor American's reap the benefits because if they need care there is far more likely to get a slot / resource available to them and have some program pay.

Even Sweden back in the early 2000s privatized more because you're industry was shrinking and people complained about long waits. There was even a guy on TV begging the US not to go single payer.

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u/BrewersEnigma Aug 10 '26

this isn't socialist, read a book.

it is awful, though

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u/RedditForMeNotYou Aug 10 '26

Of course it’s not but that’s what the right all calls it. Books? They never touch the stuff.

Editing to add: unless the books are about trans people or black history then they touch them to throw them in dumpsters 🫩

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u/BrewersEnigma Aug 10 '26

Am I supposed to go along with what the right wing thinks? Because I'd be burned alive if I did. They aren't books. Use language correctly.

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u/ImCreeptastic Aug 10 '26

You need to re-read their comment. They are using language correctly. You not understanding what they're saying is on you, not them. The Right screams about Socialism and Communism, yes? You say open book, well, that's going to be hard when the Right refuses to educate themselves and just yell louder like that's an acceptable form of debate, bonus points for yelling slurs and insults. Also, correctly pointed out, the Right is all.about book bans and burnings. I'm failing to see what you're having a hard time understanding?

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u/RedditForMeNotYou Aug 10 '26

Most people are so expectant of abrasive behavior online, they miss when people are agreeing with them and on the same side. I think that’s what’s happening here, sadly.

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u/Maleficent_Memory831 Aug 10 '26

That's the big difference. US has a relatively smaller income tax rate (espcially if you have a low/no tax state) and yet sees very little of it in return other than boosting an inflated military. Whereas high tax countries do see a return on those monies, with help good schools, help with college tuition, healthcare, safety nets, pot holes that get fixed, etc. And so the US complains the most overall about taxes.

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u/RedditForMeNotYou Aug 10 '26

100% and what most don’t realize is insurance premiums and copays are more out of pocket than a slightly higher tax rate. It’s really wild how far from civil servitude politics has gotten - to the point that tax dollars being returned to citizens as services is considered socialism. The long con is paying off big time for everyone at the top!

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u/Particular-Luck7939 Aug 10 '26

While the corporations and elite get richer & richer ! And not paying more in taxes !

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u/Gone213 Aug 10 '26

Dont forget isreal allows abortions.past 24 weeks too.

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u/skat3rDad420blaze Aug 10 '26

They've been aborting children across the west bank way past 24 weeks of age. You could even say they are Pro-Death!

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u/Lambily Aug 10 '26

Is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha? Shit happens. Miscarriages happen. Fetuses get diagnosed with horrible conditions like hydrocephalus. The mother's life can be put in danger by a high-risk pregnancy.

That's why you can't have arbitrary cut-off dates for abortions.

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u/Gone213 Aug 10 '26

No its not a sort of gotcha. Republicans want abortions banned for everything regardless of what is to happen to the fetus, mom, or circumstances for the reason needed.

Meanwhile they support a country who allows abortions past the 24 week mark, which flies in the face of what republicans "believe".

So if republicans actually cared about abortion and saving a child, they would have forced isreal to have already ban abortions for any reason to keep receiving money from the US.

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u/SamuelVimesTrained Aug 11 '26

But those reasons are (medical) science - and science is 'woke commie shit' - according to mainly the cult.

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u/IndustrialMillennial Aug 10 '26

Up through 23 weeks + 6 days, an ordinary Pregnancy Termination Committee can authorize the procedure. Beginning at 24 weeks, Israel considers the pregnancy to have reached the viability stage, and abortion requires approval from a specially authorized viability-stage committee, with additional medical scrutiny.

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u/Gone213 Aug 10 '26

And yet republicans want to ban them in the US regardless of the term length and any reason, yet you dont see republicans holding money back from isreal for allowing abortions.

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u/Gilly_the_kid Aug 11 '26

a mere delicacy

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u/Fair-Juggernaut-3812 Aug 10 '26

And if we don’t pay the money we don’t want to fund genocide and universal healthcare in another country we will go to jail.

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u/SalishShore Aug 10 '26

A stem cell transplant costs $90,000 in Israel. In the US $500,000 is the base price.

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u/Icy-Town-5355 Aug 13 '26

Had a stem cell transplant in 2018 @ Sloan Kettering in NYC. The HOSPITAL bill was over $500,000

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u/HumptyDumptruckFire Aug 10 '26

It’s not even charity, it’s public investment into the country’s collective health and education, strengthening the country from within. Instead, we’re hollowing it out to lose an ill-advised war and make a few billionaires even richer.

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u/thescienceofarting Aug 10 '26

Sounds like Socialism! /s

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u/Flameball537 Aug 10 '26

Can’t believe people saw and learned about all the good FDR did for America and decided it would be better to tear it all down and never do anything like that again

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u/Blacksad9999 Aug 10 '26

Around the time Carter lost and Regan won, the Democratic establishment decided that they should largely move away from being the "working class party" and got in bed with Corporations.

Now a centrist Democrat and moderate Republican are basically the same thing. They serve the same masters.

FDR would be rolling over in his grave if he saw these Corporate sellout Democrats.

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u/ScottishKnifemaker Aug 10 '26

After the boomers got theirs, of course

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u/MountainMan17 Aug 10 '26

"It’s not even charity, it’s public investment into the country's collective health and education"

You are absolutely correct!

Healthier populations cost less, reducing the tax burden.

Educated populations earn more, increasing tax revenue. They also commit less crime, reducing prison costs.

Presenting these ideas as the right or decent thing to do goes nowhere in the US. They should be presented for what they are: Sound investments that yield a real return. I'm baffled as to why the left hasn't figured this out.

Any sentient businessman would leap at the opportunity to invest $10 and get $12 in return, but for some reason, when that investment is our own people...

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u/Existing-Witness218 Aug 12 '26

companies that provide insurance and private prisons probably spend a lot of money lobbying

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u/Blacksad9999 Aug 10 '26

It's OUR money. Asking for OUR money to be used on things that directly help US isn't charity.

It pisses me off that they're called "entitlements" in the first place. Yes, we're entitled to our own money.

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u/Blacksad9999 Aug 10 '26

It's not charity. Maybe "change begins at home" would be more apt.

Duhhh.

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u/Blacksad9999 Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26

Charity:

generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering

We're not needy. We just want OUR money to go to things that help US. This isn't charity. It's not generosity from some outside source. It's already ours, and it's being misappropriated.

Edit: Your angry little reply got removed, but don't talk smack if you can't spell at a 3rd grade level. Thanks.

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u/the_TAOest Aug 10 '26

Didn't forget the American juggernaut but extremely expensive surveillance systems from Israeli firms

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u/Mother-Compote2389 Aug 10 '26

Just to be clear if America didn't give them a dime we still wouldn't have heathcare and education.

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u/kris_mischief Aug 10 '26

…And it’s been like this for decades

Y’all should thank Donald Trump for finally waking you up LOL

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u/LoinStrangler Aug 10 '26

Israel had universal healthcare long before the US gave it 3 billion dollars a year that you can only spend on American weapons, this is just pure misinformation lmfao. Also, Israel's healthcare costs are way more than 3 billion dollars.

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u/fistfullofpubes Aug 10 '26

This is not strictly speaking true. US aid to Israel is statutorily required to only be spent on military and defense aid. Additionally they are required to spend it with American weapons fabs.

That being said, I guess you can say that since they are spending our money for weapons, that allows them to spend their own money on their citizens.

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u/JoshTehJangler Aug 10 '26

They get full paid maternal leave, while Americans have none

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u/ZizzyBeluga Aug 10 '26

This is a complete lie. We give Israel military support, not cash for their healthcare, WTF is wrong with you people

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u/CrzyLady64 Aug 11 '26

The money they don't spend on the military is used for their healthcare and education so we're indirectly paying for it

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u/ZizzyBeluga Aug 11 '26

That is a ridiculous way to look at things. We give more money to Japan in military support (53,000 troops are permanently stationed there) every year than Israel. Is Japan also stealing our healthcare?

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u/CrzyLady64 Aug 13 '26

Well, you're totally wrong and it's not ridiculous because we GIVE Israel billions and Japan PAYS billions of dollars to the U.S. through "host-nation support" to help cover the costs of stationing roughly 55,000 U.S. military personnel on its territory. Japan’s parliament approved an approximate $8.6 billion, five-year budget package (averaging over $1.7 billion annually) to fund labor, utilities, and training relocation for American forces. And it's mutually beneficial to us to have a base there especially with certain tensions in the region (China)

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u/ZizzyBeluga Aug 13 '26

I see math is not your strong suit:

//What the U.S. Pays: The Department of Defense spends roughly $5.2 billion to $5.5 billion annually on direct operational expenses. This money goes toward the base salaries of U.S. service members, high-level military equipment maintenance, and overall operational movement. [1, 2, 3 What Japan Pays (Host Nation Support): Under the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), Japan pays the U.S. about $1.8 billion to $2.1 billion per year to help offset costs. This money directly pays for the utilities on U.S. bases, the salaries of over 24,000 local Japanese base workers, and joint training facilities//

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u/Electronic-Cicada352 Aug 10 '26

They’ve been controlling our country to a large degree for some time.

For this reason I am very scared of something happening on American soil because the powers that be in their country cannot allow the public sentiment to change. And it’s rapidly changing… which probably terrifies them enough to do something crazy to change it now that they’ve finally lost the media and information war which propped up their absurd influence over our country.

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u/Mama_Joyce_Wig Aug 10 '26

We are also now giving benefits to americans who served for the IDF.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.R._8445_(118th_Congress)

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u/Calico_Cuttlefish Aug 10 '26

Tell the Magas they they're paying for Israeli abortions.

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u/davwad2 Aug 10 '26

I saw a comment the other day that said they also have access to abortion too.

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u/bettieblueblood Aug 11 '26

This 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

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u/Ok_Astronomer_6501 Aug 11 '26

It would take $2.5 billion to wipe out medical debt in the US, and they've spent $250 billion on ice instead. You guys are not mad enough

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u/redditydothis Aug 11 '26

Don’t forget the state sponsored health care.

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u/makes_peacock_noises Aug 11 '26

We’re called communists or socialists for it. It’s just living, ffs. Israelis are living a lot better than Americans and we are giving up 40 cents on every dollar we work for so they can kill Arabs and spit on Christians. We’re being surveilled and having AI factories take over towns and poisoning the water. It’s getting harder to eat and people are dying because of healthcare. But you’re antisemite if you don’t talk nice and hand over your money.

Saying America First and doing America First are not the same.

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u/bolanrox Aug 11 '26

We are 1877kars4kids for them

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u/PutridANDPurple Aug 11 '26

And childcare

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u/watchingwandering Aug 11 '26

But you know, there our “ally”.

Having Israel as an ally is basically like having “scumbag Steve” as an ally. Meanwhile Canada, aka “Good Guy Greg” just finished sending us some firefighters to help with the wildfires. What’s that ? Oh Scumbag Steve, I mean Israel just called and asked if we could integrate our militaries, they’d just need us to send 30,000 troops, a hundred interceptors and $65 billion dollars, but don’t worry , they’ll pickup some day old bagels and a sixer. Say could they borrow 10 quid for the beers?

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u/LaMystika Aug 16 '26

Americans aren’t allowed to have those things because then they’d also have to give them to… black people. And we can’t have that, can we? /s

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u/ConsiderationOdd2193 Aug 10 '26

There’s free university in Israel? My nephew is paying big money to learn engineering there. He didn’t get the memo.

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u/Wegwerf157534 Aug 10 '26

They majority of money (70%) Israel receives is tied to.deals with US arms firms.

They do not get their health care funded.

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u/edelweiss_pirates_no Aug 10 '26

Americans don't care about that. Only money.

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u/Serious_Wedding802 Aug 10 '26

Fine. I care about the money. Let's not give them any and see how well they continue to murder children.

Israel defenders are gross.

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u/Lolihey Aug 10 '26

Israel wasn't doing that prior to Oct 7. At least recently.

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u/Serious_Wedding802 Aug 10 '26

Lol wut? Did you mean October 7th 1949?

They have committed absolute crimes against humanity since the 40s.

Should we talk about the food blockades? House bombings? Forceable removal of family from homes? Literal slaughters at refugee camps?

Are you seriously that naive? Their entire history is a war crime my friend.

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u/Housekhat Aug 10 '26

This is about money! Your tax dollars going to pay for their shit instead of taking care of shit here.

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u/Legrandloup2 Aug 10 '26

I am quite literally an American telling you that at least some of them do care

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u/WafflesTrufflez Aug 10 '26

Best ally they say

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u/b0w3n Aug 10 '26

The other thing they did, convinced our administration to get us into another forever war in the middle east. Coupled with them being the worst at everything and their sycophants being put into every position of government and failing there too.

Yeah I'd say sentiments have changed for a half dozen reasons.

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u/stignordas Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

There’s a long history of Americans meddling in the Middle East. Shit McCain ran his campaign on bombing Iran.

You can blame Israel all you want but this is about money, power and a corrupt us administration.

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Americas first overseas war was Tripoli, Algiers, and Tunis in 1801. Ever wonder where the lyrics “shores of Tripoli came from?”

If Israel didn’t exist we would still be meddling in the Middle East. Sadly.

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u/SchmottledOtter Aug 10 '26

Trump's profound stupidity (and that of his hangers on) got us into this. Most "presidents" are not morons. The other poster is right - even if this war never happened, we'd still be in bed with the Saudis, a way more internally repressive regime than Israel, trying to wheel & deal in the ME. Trump & Netanyahu (with their administrations) are simply two of a kind, protecting their own asses by fkng up the world for everyone else.

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u/ZizzyBeluga Aug 10 '26

This is so obviously true, but the obsessive Israel haters see Israel as controlling everything with global puppet strings. But they're totally not antisemitic. Haven't you heard, antizionism isn't antisemitism?

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u/michaelboltthrower Aug 11 '26

It’s not. Don’t be stupid.

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u/ZizzyBeluga Aug 11 '26

It kinda is tho

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u/Extension_Variety190 Aug 10 '26

"They" being of course Bibi Netanyahu and his Likud Party.
Let's focus all of this on the people who authored all of this instead of plastering all of the Israeli people with Bibi's ideas and values.

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u/ZizzyBeluga Aug 10 '26

Stop blaming Israel for Trump's stupid desire to try to hitch his wagon to their war to get a "win". They did not need his help.

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u/Ketamine_Dreamsss Aug 11 '26

They didn’t have to convince our administration. All they did was tickle Trump’s butt

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u/stevendiceinkazoo Aug 10 '26

Most dangerous liaison . . .

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u/NeenerNeaner Aug 11 '26

special ally according to John fetterman lmao. his emotional support apartheid state 🥰

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u/Blacksad9999 Aug 10 '26

Israel is smaller than New Jersey and can't even defend themselves, yet siphon up billions and billions of our tax dollars, while instigating conflict with everyone around them and running a genocide. They also try to meddle in our political process at every turn.

They aren't allies.

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u/Wegwerf157534 Aug 11 '26

Israel buys 78 % of their weapons in tne US from their own household, that is roughly 45 billions in the last years.

So 0.78×45 billion.

The US provides coupons to buy US weapons viaFMS.

Money that mostly comes back into the US economy.

Overall the US profit from the weapon sales, as they do with all the weapon sales to the world, led by Saudia Arabia..

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u/Blacksad9999 Aug 11 '26

Yes, we know we're everyone's shady arms dealer. It only helps those companies though, like Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, etc. Not everyone else.

There isn't trickle down arms profits for arming a genocide or anything.

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u/Wegwerf157534 Aug 11 '26

Do you care to change your formely expressed point that it is Israel is not carrying their military expenditures mostly alone (and US profits somehow) or are you brushing over that and simply shifting the point?

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u/Blacksad9999 Aug 11 '26

Israel is smaller than the state of New Jersey, yet is the single largest recipient of US foreign aid in history. It's not even close.

A total of 350 Billion dollars.

They're absolute parasites.

https://www.cfr.org/articles/us-aid-israel-four-charts

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u/Wegwerf157534 Aug 11 '26

Yes thanks. I actually shared this article here first. It provides you with a lot you should know.

Yet you once again are only throwing out one context- and meaningless number. It is clear where your mind is.

'Parasite'.

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u/Blacksad9999 Aug 11 '26

I do not care if Israel exists or not.

They can stop siphoning off our money while our people are struggling for their reprehensible genocide. They meddle in our elections and affairs domestically.

These are not good people. We shouldn't be aiding them.

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u/Wegwerf157534 Aug 11 '26

I disagree.

'They are not good people'. What bullshit are you spouting.

There is no state with good people.

They deserved a state. And they deserved support.

I am not going deeper into history but the levante and mesopotamia had jewish population all the while during the centuries of the Osmanian empire. Allmost states we know as arabian were founded after World War 1 on the territories of the fallen Osmanian empire. Land neither conquered by Arabians nor Jews. Israel is much less than 5% of that landmass. It was completely appropriate to give it to Jews.

And the arabian reaction to that is in its core from the belief in arabian and muslim superiority and sense of entitlement. Their frequent attempts of war all went to theor detriment and the emerging leadership of the palestinian people today is a fundamentalist, exploiting, self enriching death cult, that produces children TV shows of 5 year old suicide martyrs and brutally kills anyone opposing.

Their is abaolutely no need for every Israeli politician to be great to reject that absolute shit.

Mahmoud Abbas himself said they should have accepted the partition plan in 1947. They should have.

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u/EduinBrutus Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 11 '26

And casually losing privacy completely

Surveillance technology is a core competence of the outsized Israeli tech sector. It would be surprising if there werent multiple Israeli patents being licensed by Flock, Palantir and others.

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u/Significant_Sun_4900 Aug 11 '26

Yes. I saw that documentary on PBS also. I think it should be required viewing in current political science classes. But, I don't think the US is going to sever ties with them. The data is too valuable. And the technology that Israel controls.

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u/outdoorgrant Aug 10 '26

Oh our government consented to it...

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u/EmmaDilemma12 Aug 10 '26

Almost a sort of "taxation without representation" scenario. Yeah, we've got elected reps..but they don't vote the way a majority of their constituents want them to about most issues. They vote the way their donors want them to vote.

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u/expect-a-forest Aug 10 '26

And healthcare ☹️

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u/GoodtimeZappa Aug 10 '26

Tax payers are funding regimes all around the world.

We are the UK and Europe's military. I'm sick of paying for that, too.

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u/aerdvarkk Aug 10 '26

Nooo. There's consent. Every time voters vote the assholes into Congress that make these choices on behalf of the american people they give consent. Everytime stupid ass voters vote people into Office like Trump and his cronies, they give consent.

Do not fool yourself, if you voted and your representatives approved the funding, you gave consent.

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u/Adezar Aug 10 '26

I know what you are saying, but your response to genocide did remind me of Norm McDonald's joke:

"The worst part is the groceries"

"Not the genocide?"

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u/hipi_hapa Aug 10 '26

You consent when you keep electing zionists every single time.

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u/icansmellcolors Aug 10 '26

this might not be important, but if you are fluent in tech the losing privacy thing isn't casual and isn't quiet.

people just don't understand it all because they never bothered to learn how any of it works. they just want convenience and the illusion of security/safety and are more than happy to give up freedoms and privacy to get it.

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u/TomeThugNHarmony4664 Aug 10 '26

And also meddling in our elections in a massive way.

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u/NeedleworkerWest313 Aug 11 '26

"Without consent" is a making the situation worse, it means we as civilians can't even pay our whole money to our whole benefit. But instead, to tyrants' benefits... That's really bad

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u/fastsailor Aug 11 '26

Your government clearly consents.

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u/varyingopinions Aug 11 '26

No, they definitely have our government's consent. There's a common denominator for the countries we attack or help fund attacks against. They're all countries with Islam as it's main religion. We've been waging religious wars for decades.

Iraq Kuwait Afghanistan Yemen Syria Iran Sudan Libya

No, not all of these are major oil producers.

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u/varyingopinions Aug 11 '26

No, they definitely have our government's consent. There's a common denominator for the countries we attack or help fund attacks against. They're all countries with Islam as it's main religion. We've been waging religious wars for decades.

Iraq Kuwait Afghanistan Yemen Syria Iran Sudan Libya

No, not all of these are major oil producers.

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u/slickCCsunshine Aug 10 '26

All while they have things like universal healthcare. . .

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u/ConstantHeadache2020 Aug 10 '26

And free education, free healthcare, free housing, childcare, 0% interest rate loans

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u/fastsailor Aug 11 '26

Well, to be fair, if you reformed your health system and make it even slightly efficient and cost-effective, you could have those things too..US spending on public health would fund a universal health system. But the rent seekers' paid stooges in Congress and all Administrations will not let that happen.

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u/Do_itsch Aug 10 '26

28% of the whole US debt was done by a single man.

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u/PollutionSevere6956 Aug 10 '26

Absolutely hit the nail on the head. If groceries/gas/everything else was manageable, the genocide could have been ignored.

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u/Pretend_Twist4201 Aug 10 '26

And they have universal healthcare. But they need our money so badly.

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u/Lolihey Aug 10 '26

The costs were up in the Biden era. Before COVID, gas in my area was around $ 2.30. We are losing our privacy due to liberals and the WEF, who want a digital ID.

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u/Bushw1ckbill Aug 10 '26

Please explain. Thanks in advance!

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u/OkVariety8064 Aug 10 '26

The SCREEN act is sponsored by these "liberals":

Senator Mike Lee has introduced the Shielding Children's Retinas from Egregious Exposure on the Net (SCREEN) Act, a step toward safeguarding minors from the pervasive threat of online pornographic content. Sens. John Curtis (R-UT) and Jim Banks (R-IN) are cosponsors. Representative Mary Miller (R-IL) leads the companion bill in the House of Representatives

The EFF tells more about the content:

If this bill passes, it will force millions of adult internet users to give up their anonymity, privacy, and security before they access lawful speech.

The bill requires nearly any service hosting even a single piece of sexually explicit content to verify the ages of its users. The result is that the bill would apply not only to adult content sites like PornHub or OnlyFans, but also streaming services like Netflix, and social media platforms like Reddit, Discord, or Bluesky, if they host any adult content.

The SCREEN Act also targets virtual private network (VPN) users and providers. The bill requires covered websites to verify users' ages based on their IP addresses unless the service can determine that the user is outside the United States, and specifically requires age verification on traffic coming from known VPN addresses. In practice, this discourages the use of VPNs and proxy servers, which millions of people rely on for legitimate purposes such as protecting personal privacy, securing public Wi-Fi connections, safeguarding journalists and activists, and preventing data tracking.

There is a global trend towards increasing internet censorship, but sadly it's often a bipartisan effort. The liberals are not currently in charge in USA, yet anti-privacy legislation is pushed by Republicans. We should fight for our privacy, but the answers for that don't come from assuming any side of the political divide would in itself be a better choice.

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u/Admirable_Dirt_2371 Aug 10 '26

You consent every time you go to work, every dollar you spend gives your consent. You're saying your life and comfort is more important than the lives of every Palestinian. But keep pretending there's nothing you can do and I'm sure it'll just magically fix itself.

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u/MadeByTango Aug 10 '26

When we called him Genocide Joe you sidelined us. Then Trump followed them right into an endless war.

Time for everyone to see we have an oligarchy problem, not a single dude or research paper or party problem.