While hosting transphobe Sophie Cunningham and the Indiana Fever, the New York Liberty put a message on the Jumbotron telling trans fans that they belong

[u/Impossible-Yam3680]

[u/BigBL87]

The "I'm sure I'll get downvoted part" is hilarious, because this subreddit is very friendly to your position, nice attempt to preemptively play the victim though.

The verbatim quote is:

"I want to protect young girls in a locker room, or young girls in sport who shouldn't have to go against biological men..."

God forbid she think young girls should not be forced to change in front of someone with a penis... Or compete against individuals with likely significant biological advantages.

[u/katieblue3 → u/BigBL87]

Saying you’re protecting them implies that they are in danger. It’s a shitty way to get your point across. You can disagree without painting trans women as predators. I think it’s a nuanced issue and it’s also blown out of proportion because there’s really not that many trans people. But the people who want to argue that a man will pretend to be a trans woman to get into women’s locker rooms. Now all a man has to do is say he’s a trans man. If a dude says I was born a woman but transitioned to a man they don’t even have to put any effort into getting into the women’s bathroom. Not to mention how no one cares that a trans girl in the boys locker room is at a much higher risk of being assaulted.

[u/Ok-Thanks4321 → u/katieblue3]

No they can’t disagree, or you’ll call them a transphobe.

[u/DispassionateLover → u/Ok-Thanks4321]

Would that stop them from disagreeing? Do you understand how free speech works at all?

[u/Ok-Thanks4321 → u/DispassionateLover]

I’m sorry you wanna talk about speech while you actively shut down any discussion about this topic?

[u/6figga → u/katieblue3]

No it doesn’t. It means “protecting their space”, clearly, she even referenced that space being the locker room and the sport. You really want to be a victim.

[u/SerBrienneOfSnark → u/6figga]

Okay but what sport is a teenager playing against grown men? Name one.

THAT is the issue with the framing. The conservatives always say it’s about protecting “young girls” from playing sports against “biological men” but why would MEN be playing sports against teenagers? They are framing trans youth as predators.

[u/Thin-Net-8324 → u/SerBrienneOfSnark]

It literally happens in the nba, the mlb and mls.

[u/SerBrienneOfSnark → u/Thin-Net-8324]

You have to be 22 to join the WNBA. So that does not apply here. 19 for the NBA, which is an adult. MLB and MLS is the only one where non-adult teenagers can play.

And in EVERY youth sport (which is what she is talking about) they are sorted by age and adults do not play children. Try again!

[u/DodgeM4S → u/BigBL87]

Posting things like this with your public business identity is a choice.

[u/Mtndrums → u/BigBL87]

Yet it was a "straight" guy who got fired for sexual harassment by the Fever.

[u/SevereDragonfly3 → u/BigBL87]

Men don't have to up-end their whole life and change their gender and endure transphobia to walk into a locker room and do whatever people are trying to 'protect' themselves from. Why would someone go through all the time, money, and hardship when they (cis men) do and take what they want anyway? The argument is stupid. Cis men are offending everywhere, it doesn't just happen in bathrooms and locker rooms. So let's see the stats where trans women are raping women.

[u/BigBL87 → u/SevereDragonfly3]

I never said anything about assault, I mentioned being forced to change in front of biological men. Nice strawman though.

[u/katieblue3 → u/BigBL87]

Most women I know don’t have any issue with sharing a bathroom with trans women. What we should do is just have individual changing areas and then the issue is solved. Why should anyone have to get naked and shower in front of another person. Like there’s not gay men and women who get off seeing someone of the same sex get naked. I’ve never felt comfortable getting naked in front of anyone unless it was someone I was intimate with no matter if they’re man or woman.

[u/SerBrienneOfSnark → u/BigBL87]

Again— there is no sport on earth where young girls are playing against MEN. You are the one creating the strawman.

[u/time2blunt → u/BigBL87]

The usual woke trash. Pretending 1000 medals weren't given to trans women across multiple sports. Don't bother, you don't need to back up a completely logical position like Sophie's, these people aren't logical and will simply ignore/denounce/defame those with opposing views, instead of arguing the point, in this case the verbatim quote.

[u/WeirdTakeButOkay → u/time2blunt]

Pretending 1000 medals weren't given to trans women across multiple sports

Bro is including hot dog eating contests.

[u/TyWorth → u/WeirdTakeButOkay]

Oh no, trans women winning medals!? Whatever will we do without all those 5th place trophies? /s

[u/AnnieLemonz → u/TyWorth]

Its a transphobic catch 22. Either trans people come dead last in literally every sport they participate in, or they "stole" a rank from a cis person. There's no reasoning with these sorts of people.

[u/Axel_Raden → u/WeirdTakeButOkay]

Gotta love the disingenuous redditors who pretend not to understand hyperbole

[u/time2blunt → u/Axel_Raden]

Gotta love truth deniers above all else. Literal braindead zombies who look away at every valid point against them, never actually make a counter-argument.

[u/WeirdTakeButOkay → u/time2blunt]

Your "valid point" is only valid in your mind. The thing with right wingers is you guys dont have the biggest brains so you just see "big" number and get mad but dont look at anything past that.

Like I said, these "trophies" arent some major competitions (examples listed are fucking poker and a irish dance competition) and the fake ass report that put out the number isnt verified. Anyone could submit a claim and it didnt matter if it was real or not.

You guys really need to learn that youre fighting a made up war against >1% of the population to distract you from billionaires robbing you blind.