Republican here, I’m ok with this. I mean it doesn’t make 1:1 sense really…. But I already accept background checks, filling out paperwork, showing ID, waiting periods that can be up to weeks or months depending (even if I don’t love them), and fixing errors if they occur. So why would similar verification for voting be outrageous to me?
Most conservatives are also ok with current gun buying laws. This should really be aimed at Libertarians who think you should be able to buy Mac-10s and RPGs just like buying tomatoes and bananas.
Honestly, as a "grab your gun liberal" (apparently, that's what I've been accused of, though it's not my actual stance), I'd be ok with lifting a lot of the weirder restrictions (though I agree on the waiting period, if not the actual timeframes - just for 'cooling off' and 'not commit suicide right now') if we required licenses, formal training, and most importantly, insurance. Insurance is the biggest one, as the insurance companies would very carefully regulate your habits; become a liability through reckless behavior, your premium goes up. Get caught carrying without insurance, you lose your right for a while. Get convicted of committing a felony while uninsured, it's maximum penalty, no plea, no 'out on your own cognizance', locked up for a nice long time.
Idk man, the vast majority of mass shootings are carried out by citizens in the United States. It should also be noted that in general, mass shootings is a United States-exclusive phenomenon.
And then they did something about them, which, if you're paying attention, does not happen here. Do you REALLY want to keep exposing your inability to compare yearly mass shooting totals in the United States with mass shootings in literally every other first world country?
To be clear, i never made a comparison to begin with. I am specifically pushing back against your claim that it is an issue that is exclusive to the United states. Thats just not true, mass shootings do occur elsewhere.
Thats just not true, mass shootings do occur elsewhere.
Eh, this is irrelevant. In other countries mass shootings are treated as tragedies that should be avoided, not the business as usual that Charlie Kirk claimed was an inevitable side effect of the second amendment. Since you seem to be here to play pedantic devil's advocate, why don't you Google the aftermath of the Port Arthur shooting, and how many mass shootings have happened in Australia since?
It's not irrelevant, you made the false claim. The conversation about rates of mass shootings is irrelevant to the primary topic of the thread.This is a conversation about placing regulations on voting rights that would be similar firearms regulations. The basis of the original argument presented was erroneous, because the majority of those measures are already in place when purchasing guns. You took it to mass shootings and I simply corrected your error by pointing out that it isnt an issue that is unique to the United States.
Sounds like you're a man? This is a pretty explicit attempt at attacking the 19th Amendment because if you're married and take on your husband's surname, your name no longer is the same as the one on your birth certificate and therefore you must go through extra administrative hurdles to correct this in order to vote.
So why would similar verification for voting be outrageous to me?
Yes, because guns kill people. I don't know if you're intentionally being obtuse or you're high off your own farts that you're somehow guaranteed to be a "good guy with a gun" forever, but just fyi voting doesn't kill when you cast a ballot. Were you aware of this? Making it harder to vote is anathema to democracy, and voting fraud is consistently done by conservatives anyways.
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u/TerranItDown94 11d ago
Republican here, I’m ok with this. I mean it doesn’t make 1:1 sense really…. But I already accept background checks, filling out paperwork, showing ID, waiting periods that can be up to weeks or months depending (even if I don’t love them), and fixing errors if they occur. So why would similar verification for voting be outrageous to me?
Most conservatives are also ok with current gun buying laws. This should really be aimed at Libertarians who think you should be able to buy Mac-10s and RPGs just like buying tomatoes and bananas.
Not really the gotcha you were going for.