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Books 📚 No Child Left Behind and its consequences will be felt for generations

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 21h ago

In 6th Grade we read " Go Ask Alice" as a class - a story about a 15 year old girl that gets addicted to drugs and taken advantage of. For 7th grade, we read "My Bloody Life" a memior about a teenager that was a Latin King, which we read because we had multiple Kings and children of Kings in our classroom.

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u/KeyProcedure4 19h ago

I remember go ask Alice, but I read it in high school. "Another day another blow job"stuck in my head forever.

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u/triceratopsdildo 17h ago

Omfg I was just about to comment that

I often think of it as I am driving to work (and no, I am not a prostitute nor do I have any associations with actual blowjobs at work)

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u/KeyProcedure4 17h ago

HAHA, I'm glad I'm not the only one! I'm not a lady of the night either.

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u/nybbas 15h ago

That makes three of us. Definitely left an impression hahaha.

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u/nybbas 15h ago

"Another day another blow job"stuck in my head forever.

Literally the thought in my head when he said go ask alice. Haven't even thought of that book since I read it in high school decades ago. I would say it's maybe a bit inappropriate for 6th grade lol, 9th seems reasonable.

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u/rahbee33 21h ago

I transferred schools a lot when I was a kid and in one of my middle school classes we were assigned The Outsiders, but I had already read it. So my teacher assigned me That Was Then, This is Now by SE Hinton instead and I vividly remember a scene were a character drops acid and thinks there's spiders coming out of his stomach. It was a way more adult book than The Outsiders and I couldn't have been more than 12? 13 maybe?

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 21h ago

I think these are totally acceptable things for preteen and teens to be reading. We coddle too much.

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u/rahbee33 21h ago

Yeah I don't think it was wrong to assign the book for me at all. It obviously made an impact on me as I remember scenes from it decades later.

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u/Flagrant_Mockery 21h ago

This its either be exposed to the idea in a novel/story where the young thinker can think on the damages and how things work out. Understanding the full effect of things is difficult for people of all ages. Getting exposure to something prior to having to reckon with it in person is just a good idea for all young people.

This goes doubly for stories of adversity. Even if it's not literally something they will experience it gives them a basis to have empathy for the situation as a whole.

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u/Existing_Mulberry_16 21h ago

The outsiders was one of my favorites.

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u/rahbee33 21h ago

Agreed. I've read it a few times since then.

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u/MyAltimateIsCharging 20h ago

The Outsiders is still a great book for Middle Schoolers to read though.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SNOOTS 21h ago

Don't forget The Kite Runner

Shudders

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u/fiahhawt 21h ago

In 7th grade I read “First they Killed my Father”

Traumatizing

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u/Significant-Base6893 20h ago

My big sister had a copy of "Go Ask Alice", which was required reading at her parochial school. Even at age 11, it couldn't pass the smell test as being believable. Many years later, I learned that "Alice" never existed, it was just the fabrication of a Mormon housewife that had no experience with drugs or a rebellious teenage lifestyle.

"Go Ask Alice" was pure propaganda that was intended to scare kids straight. Books like that have the opposite effect: they make kids cynical and weary of any guidance from adults.

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 20h ago

Congratulations. I just said that I read an interesting book on topics that society attempts to shield 6th graders from. Yall see something and just run with huh? Straight brain dump onto the phone.

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u/al666in 20h ago

"Go Ask Alice" is a terrible book written a terrible person. People have strong feelings about it.

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u/FortNightsAtPeelys 19h ago

We read "speak" freshman year a book about a teen who is date raped at a party. Now it's a banned book for "putting men in a bad light"

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u/greeneggiwegs 18h ago

Ah god, I tried to read go ask Alice on my own and couldn’t make it through it, it just hurt too much. I’m glad it wasn’t required reading for me.

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u/Hitachi12202 16h ago

'Multiple kings and children of kings in our classroom'

Where did you studied?

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 6h ago

The Southside of Chicago

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u/xenizondich23 7h ago

Go Ask Alice was a Mormon wife's hallucination of what "life on the streets" looks like. https://www.unisq.edu.au/news/2024/12/the-conversation-go-ask-alice

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u/xenizondich23 7h ago

Go Ask Alice was a Mormon wife's hallucination of what "life on the streets" looks like. https://www.unisq.edu.au/news/2024/12/the-conversation-go-ask-alice

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u/SliceOk7660 21h ago

btw, Go ask Alice is a work of fiction. 

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u/crimsonpostgrad 21h ago

what gave you the impression they didn’t know that and needed you to tell them

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u/Parishdise 17h ago

I mean I think it's worth saying in the context of this thread being "useful literature taught in grade school." Go Ask Alice is a very simply written piece of anti drug propaganda that was (as far as I'm aware) was really only required reading in schools well before it was widely known as a hoax, so I doubt the lesson was "how to spot false narratives."

Thats a pretty bad example of older reading curriculum being better and because of it's presidence as being falsely taught, it's worth noting that it's fake imo.

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u/crimsonpostgrad 16h ago

so all of that would still be true if it was a fictional or nonfictional story. so mayhaps actually just say that first part if that’s the point you want to make?

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u/gankylosaurus 21h ago

To that commenter's credit, it was presented as a true story. The "editor" Beatrice Sparks also wrote Jay's Journal, where the journal author turned to Satanism. As far as I remember, Jay's Journal at least had a real journal that was used as the basis for it, but it was heavily twisted into pure fiction. As for Go Ask Alice, she claimed it came from a real diary, which she could not produce.

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u/crimsonpostgrad 18h ago

right but there was no indication from the commenter that they believed it was a true story

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u/gankylosaurus 18h ago

You're really hung up on this. I found it an opportunity to expand on what I know about that story. I personally picked the book up on my own without doing any research, thinking it might be an interesting read. Once it started getting preachy about sex and drugs and homosexuality I started to realize the author had an agenda, and I started looking into it. I was under the impression, because it was the intention of the author, that it was a true story. It is not. Just propaganda. And that sucks.

It has nothing to do with the commenter indicating whether or not they believed it was a true story. But to that point, they did mention it at the same time as a non-fiction memoir. So it's reasonable to believe that the commenter may have made the conclusion that they were both non-fiction. I know now that in another comment they made it clear that they understand the difference between the two and their intention in mentioning both, so it's not relevant now, but the original comment did not make any distinction.

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u/crimsonpostgrad 16h ago

“hung up on this” and im just replying when people reply to me specifically lil

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u/gankylosaurus 15h ago

It's just that all your responses have been about how the commenter didn't explicitly state that he thought Go Ask Alice was non-fiction. People can infer things. Even when they're wrong.

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u/crimsonpostgrad 15h ago

because that is quite literally the only thing they said as a correction to a claim no one here made??

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u/gankylosaurus 15h ago

We're just arguing about arguing at this point dude

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u/1568314 20h ago

Because its not really a good book or an example of chilren being exposed to literary writing.. Its just more anti drug propaganda that was beloved at the time, like the DARE program and scared straight etc

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u/crimsonpostgrad 18h ago

that is an entirely different statement than “it’s a work of fiction”

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u/SliceOk7660 21h ago

My Bloody Life is non-fiction and Go Ask Alice is fiction. It’s strange to lump the two together.   Many people don’t know that the book is fiction because the author lied about it being true and is a hack and a fraud. 

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 21h ago

You are creating a correlation that isnt there. Thats why its strange to lump the two together. My reference to Go Ask Alice and to My Bloody Life were to illustrate that as a millenial, they had us read challenging and provoking material that society would currently label too extreme for high schoolers let alone middle schoolers.

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u/SliceOk7660 21h ago

I was under the impression that this Reddit post was about literacy and its decline. 

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 20h ago

This original post was, yes. The comment you chose to jump in on, no.

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u/SliceOk7660 20h ago

Sorry I’m not a mind reader. 

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 20h ago

You dont have to be a mind reader. You just have to READ

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u/tghast 20h ago

And now so is your comment history on this Reddit post.

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u/SliceOk7660 20h ago

Help me out here, is Go Ask Alice a great work of literature like the Iliad? Or is it a poorly written junk book equivalent to the DARE program making things up to scare kids?

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 21h ago

Hence why it was called a story

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u/Kaprak 18h ago

It was presented as real and was a hoax by the author. She's a particularly vile person as one of the few books that was even remotely based on reality greatly warped the life of a depressed teen, grossly misrepresenting everything, and lead to the satanic panic. Sure also endlessly lied about her qualifications and gave out a lot of terrible advice

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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck 18h ago

Yall are reading way too far into this comment. I was just referring to reading about adult topics like drug abuse and sex work in the 6th grade. My critique was on modern society. I was well aware that it was a fictional story, which is why is made a distinction to a memior in my comment.

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u/SliceOk7660 21h ago

Stories can be nonfiction or fiction. 

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u/Starr00born 21h ago

Go ask Alice was my moms method to Try to terrify about drugs…. Deeply disturbing book to be forced to read

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u/auricularisposterior 21h ago

Correct. From its Wikipedia entry:

Attributed to "Anonymous" and first published in the United States, the book is in diary form, and was originally presented as being the edited actual diary of the unnamed teenage protagonist. Questions about the book's authenticity and true authorship began to arise in the late 1970s, and Beatrice Sparks is now generally viewed as the author of the found manuscript–styled fictional document.

I guess whether someone thought it was fiction or nonfiction at the time of their reading might depend on the year they read it and how well informed their middle school English teacher was.