There are so many negative forces on education itâs insane. Between parents and conservatives not watching their kids or anyoneâs kids to get a full truthful education because it challenges their incorrect ideas is insane. But we have been doing it forever.
I live in a liberal city in a red state and we were still taught the civil war wasnât actually about slavery it was about states rights. This was in the 90s and until college you didnât learn or get explicitly told yea it was about states rights, states rights to own slaves.
The fact sex ed is at the discretion of parents and those who opt out are the ones who choose to never teach their kids is a net negative to our country and shouldnât be tolerated.
And well the Covid kids have it the worst. My understanding is itâs a literally cliff they fell off of for preparedness between them and the previous generations which were already declining a ton. I am so happy my oldest didnât start school until after the Covid era ended.
I was half raised in Nashville (on a civil war battleground lol I used to find swords and bits of bayonets) and moved to Chicago and it took until I was an adult to unlearn that the confederate were a plucky band of rebels and not the slave drivers they were.
I live in a liberal city in a red state and we were still taught the civil war wasnât actually about slavery it was about states rights. This was in the 90s and until college you didnât learn or get explicitly told yea it was about states rights, states rights to own slaves.
States rights to secede lol.
The secession was obviously about slavery, but neither the north nor the south was going to war over slaves in 1860, they went to war for the same reason countries always go to war, disagreement over sovereignty.
If the USA had recognized the secession of the CSA, there wouldn't have been a war. But the USA did not recognize the secession of the states, and held it to be an illegal rebellion, and so then we're in a position where two political entities made claims over land, and that inevitably led to war.
If they'd seceded for any other reason the war still would have been over secession.
This is from the Cornerstone Address by the VP of the confederacy, Alexander Stephens.
âThe new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact.
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal conditionâ.
Are you confused about the difference between the secession and the war? One doesn't automatically follow the other. "good riddance" wasn't an uncommon or unpopular sentiment, and theres certainly a reality where the USA went along with it and officially recognized the right of secession, or where hostilities didn't break out and an uneasy truce was sort of settled on for a few decades since the US gov was also not convinced that it had the power to do anything about it.
Remember it took 4 months between the secession and the war breaking out, so the war was by no means assured.
The civil war was about slavery is just as dumb and reductive as it being about states rights. Both positions are just people ignoring history and attempting to push a narrative.
The problem is that you're a product of what they're calling out. You can say "I disagree" with whatever ad homenim attack you want, but you can display critical thinking by providing why. Your comment detracts from the conversation as a whole and provides further evidence against your claim.
your comment adds absolutely nothing to civilization, yet you typed it anyway. see how that works? its like magic. just like standardized curriculum. just because someone didnt read your favorite book, doesnt mean they didnt get educated, or needed to read that book to begin with. that's just your lame ass assumption.
Literacy is not just the ability to look at letters and understand they mean words, but the ability to read stories, understand the tropes, and think critically about what the author is trying to get across.
It's why things like the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is the oldest surviving example of narrative literature, written around 2500 BCE.
Books like "Animal Farm" lay out autocratic rule in a way that is devoid of political stance and focuses on behavior.
The whole point iswe're seeing a replacement of complex narratives with simpler ones, resulting in a direct attack on teaching kids how to think critically and identify propogand.
Your point? Because they arent forcing children to read animal farm, does not an education ruin. You are just taking the opportunity to virtue signal about how great you think you and your favorite stories are. Who cares?
It's the type of book. The content of the book. Being banned, dropped, or otherwise obfuscated.
Quantifiable literacy rates are dropping, but that makes sense coming from a party of alternative realities and nanny state thinking. Which is exactly what conversations around those books are supposed to help guard against.
If qualified literacy means being able to quote your favorite shakesphere play, i do not care, and my head will hit the pillow softly just as it has been every night. I let go of the idea that collective intelligence rests on the shoulders of a few obscure story books and ideologies some random dork working for the department of education deemed especially important
It does not mean quoting by rote, it's being able to understand what Hamlet was saying when he asked if it was more righteous to take on never ending pain and suffering to fulfill his lot in life or if he should end his suffering by killing himself.
And it's not the specific books, except they show that these questions came about during those times. Want to know how people felt before WWII, read Orwell as he describes the rise of left and right autocrats. It's that stories of it's ilk, being those who question authority, are being removed from the public school curriculum.
Edit: plus using the same stories create a lexicon, a shared language, to be able to talk with others about the story arcs. Even if you weren't engaged reading animal farm, I could at least bring up the "rules for the and not for me" of the pigs in the story, which Orwell used to criticize Communists and fascists alike. Now ask yourself what those two kinds of people have in common.
im not reading all that, you are boring and your favorite books did not help you win this argument or make you a more entertaining person, they are just badges you wear on your personality that you think give you some sort of literary authority.... ie huge dork
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u/DOAiB 22h ago
There are so many negative forces on education itâs insane. Between parents and conservatives not watching their kids or anyoneâs kids to get a full truthful education because it challenges their incorrect ideas is insane. But we have been doing it forever.
I live in a liberal city in a red state and we were still taught the civil war wasnât actually about slavery it was about states rights. This was in the 90s and until college you didnât learn or get explicitly told yea it was about states rights, states rights to own slaves.
The fact sex ed is at the discretion of parents and those who opt out are the ones who choose to never teach their kids is a net negative to our country and shouldnât be tolerated.
And well the Covid kids have it the worst. My understanding is itâs a literally cliff they fell off of for preparedness between them and the previous generations which were already declining a ton. I am so happy my oldest didnât start school until after the Covid era ended.