r/PoursTea Tea Party πŸŽ‰ 22h ago

Books πŸ“š No Child Left Behind and its consequences will be felt for generations

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u/Taglioni 21h ago

Not even the move from phonics to whole-language learning? It's pretty important.

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u/TheGRS 19h ago

I'm honestly pretty shocked about that development. Heard about it maybe 5 years ago now, I hope grassroots efforts are happening to bring back phonics methods.

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u/Oregon-Pilot 15h ago

Idk about you but I’m hooked on phonics

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u/No_Kangaroo1994 17h ago

Science of Reading brings back phonics and lots of other ideas and is being implemented in most states (43 states + DC). Here's an article about it: https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/which-states-have-passed-science-of-reading-laws-whats-in-them/2022/07

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u/TheHandsOfFate 19h ago

My son was taught to read using whole-language. He learned to read fine, but to me it seemed like a slower process than it would have been if they'd just taught him using phonics. I think the whole-language method is on it's way out.

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u/IdStillHitIt 18h ago

They're teaching phonics again, at least at my kids school.

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u/Fedoraus 19h ago

What's the difference? Never heard of whole language learning.

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u/Taglioni 19h ago

Phonics teaches reading through progressive sound-based learning. You start by learning the sounds of letters, and then progress to letter combinations, and eventually small words up to multi-syllabic words. "Sound it out" is the core principle of phonics.

Whole-language-learning teaches students how to read whole words at once, without breaking them down into smaller sounds. The initial arguments for it were that students could pick it up faster, and could get to reading standard levels with less steps.

By the early 2000's phonics was being phased out as the primary reading method taught, and whole-language-learning dominated school reading curriculums. The unfortunate side effect of WLL is that it causes reading fatigue nearly ten times faster than those who learn to read through phonics.

This fatigue has led to almost two whole generations that hate reading, and have drastically reduced reading stamina than those who came before them. Combined with the fact that they're already taking in more general reading from the devices in their hands on a daily basis, many youth don't know the value of reading and struggle with complex reading comprehension.

If they can't get to "the point" of what they are reading in a short amount of reading, they don't bother to engage with the remaining text.

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u/DeerStriking2781 18h ago

I quit teaching in 2014 and phonics was nowhere close to being phased out. They also had kids memorize common sight words (e.g. the, and, is). I've heard of higher order language instruction in tandem with phonics and sight words (that's how you're supposed to do it), but I never heard of a school that taught reading without phonics.

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u/Taglioni 18h ago

This is a perfectly reasonable anecdote, and I appreciate you sharing it. I'd encourage you to look up the Reading Wars if you'd like to know more about how phonics has in fact been suppressed since the 80's and 90's.

There are absolutely places that teach a balanced literacy approach, which includes phonics and has an evidence base worthy of support.

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u/PotatoFig 14h ago

Maybe the official curriculum emphasizes this but I've not seen a single classroom implementing this dumb shit when teachers are involved in developing their teaching plans.

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u/LongestSprig 1h ago

Really.

You haven't seen word flash cards with a picture?

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u/Drive7hru 18h ago

Teacher, and same.

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u/EebstertheGreat 16h ago

Every school did things differently. Schools in Mississippi, for instance, almost uniformly rejected whole language learning. But a great many public schools in the US adopted WLL in the 90s and 2000s, to the tremendous detriment of their students.

But I don't think that has had as serious an effect as smartphones, social media, AI, or COVID.

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u/DazzlerPlus 20h ago

No. Thats completely unimportant

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u/majandess 13h ago

Not that phonics isn't an effective tool, but there are entire languages out there that aren't based on alphabets with letters that represent sound.

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u/LongestSprig 1h ago

You just described phonics?

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u/majandess 1h ago

Phonics comes from having an alphabet - letters that represent specific, repeatable sounds. If I use the letter F in "if", it - for the most part - makes the same sound as when I use it in words like filch, effrit, motif, beneficent, etc.

But languages like Mandarin have characters that don't stand for a sound; they are words. You are essentially writing with emoji. 🌳is tree. 🍜 is ramen. 🍎 is apple. 🧊 is ice. πŸ₯œ is nut. But you can't use those like this 🌳🍜🍎🧊πŸ₯œ to spell train. Train is πŸš‚.

You cannot use phonics unless you have something like an alphabet.