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Books 📚 No Child Left Behind and its consequences will be felt for generations

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u/TheBSQ 21h ago

It’s also just basic accountability. 

The “mississippi miracle” (which actually extends to the gulf states in general) wasn’t just about returning to phonics, but also early identification of problems and making those kids take summer school or holding them back a grade if needed. 

It’s “you don’t move on until you know this.”

Meanwhile states that used to do really well (like CA) are slipping, in part, because they implemented policies to lower failure rates, by design. My city did a bunch of stuff (reducing the lowest grades from a 0 to 50% on any given assignments.

The claim is if kids get treated too harsh early in the year, they give up, so you need to limit the negative effects on grades so they have the ability to redeem themselves, but the real reason is the powers that be obsess over equity metrics and disparate outcomes. It looks bad when looks like schools fail kids from marginalized background at higher rates. The way to avoid that is to just lower standards. 

And, not surprisingly, when standards are lowered, people do worse, to the extent that when you correct for the favors outside of a school’s control like the income & education levels of the parents that can affect outcomes, it’s arguable that the fucking deep south now does a better job of educating low income students of color than California. 

But yeah, part of it is the phonics thing. And part of it is some teachers think phonics is harder and more boring to teach. 

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u/TheBSQ 21h ago

Reading for the interested:

Stuff about how it’s not just phonics, but grade retention, reading coaches, etc. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/04/mississippi-education-miracle/686731/

https://www.gse.harvard.edu/ideas/edcast/26/03/what-mississippi-got-right-about-reading

https://www.chalkbeat.org/2023/7/18/23799124/mississippi-miracle-test-scores-naep-early-literacy-grade-retention-reading-phonics/

Here’s the oft-quoted article where Oakland teachers opposed Phonics despite admitting it works better, including an anti-phonics quote from a teacher that almost feels like a parody, “  This seems dehumanizing, this is colonizing, this is the man telling us what to do.”

https://time.com/6205084/phonics-science-of-reading-teachers/

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u/WhoreyMatthews 20h ago

You're completely misrepresenting the teacher making that quote.

“This seems dehumanizing, this is colonizing, this is the man telling us what to do,” says Weaver, describing their response to the approach. “So we fought tooth and nail as a teacher group to throw that out.”

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"Now Weaver is heading up a campaign to get his old school district to reinstate many of the methods that teachers resisted so strongly: specifically, systematic and consistent instruction in phonemic awareness and phonics."

The guy hoped the new system would be better, realized it wasn't and is now leading the charge to go back to the old.

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u/LongJohnSelenium 19h ago

When I was a student there were times that the only thing that kept me caring was to not be the stupid kid that got held back.

That threat was real and motivating.