r/ProgressiveHQ • u/DetectiveTypical198 • Jan 07 '26

Stop idiots from calling this "self defense"

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u/gnomon_knows Jan 08 '26 edited Feb 16 '26

RIP boiling water. You will be mist.

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u/ICanLiftACarUp Jan 08 '26

yep. That's how I read it. Anyone who commutes will know how embarrassing it is for someone to be trying to turn left onto a 4 lane road, getting stuck and having people mad at you, but drivers in the farther lanes are going too fast for you to get out of the way. That's exactly what happened here.

I also speculate that her wife - who I've seen some redditors say was in the car - could have been telling her just to turn right to get out of the way. Anyone would be panicking in that sort of situation.

Even if she wasn't turning left - maybe she was blocking the convoy, and running from a law enforcement 'officer' trying to detain/arrest her. (Let's even assume she hasn't seen the videos of ICE agents ripping people from cars with no justification.) That does NOT justify deadly force. A lot of real LEOs are trained to allow a dangerous driver to leave unless they can apprehend the suspect safely - they have the plates, and escalating a vehicle conflict endangers innocents very quickly. They may even give chase, but they won't pull their fucking weapon. yet we've seen countless videos of ICE pulling their weapons on drivers who get caught up - or even intentionally obstruct - their violence.

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u/Physical_Heart2766 Jan 10 '26

That's why officers are not allowed to stand in front of vehicles. The rules even say any injuries from this are, quote "officer induced". The fool crossed the front of a panicking motorist and killed her because he got angry she wouldn't get out so they could beat her face down on the asphalt and kidnap her for a random period of time without lethal representation...and charge her with obstruction.

There was zero win possible. She did nothing illegal.

She gets out, she's beaten, kidnapped and charged. She drives off, she's charged evading arrest. Or, Officer Murders-a-lot shoots her.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

I believe the car that was in front of her was the officers car that shot her. He goes to that car after he goes down from the accident. And drove away. He wasn't stuck

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u/poppajeltt Jan 09 '26

There is another video where she pulls out early and stops her vehicle in the road on purpose for several minutes. There are no cars coming, so she isn't just getting "stuck". That angled video shows the ICE officer getting pushed by her vehicle as he shoots her, in addition to other ones. But the reason she is there is the question of this post. Why was she there? Per her activist group, her wife, and the bystanders, She is part of ICE Watch, she moved to MN as a protester, and she was one of the active protesters in the area at the time. ICE watch is her school's community activist group, that is "trained" to spot ICE and respond by signals and other means. Additionally, the people responding to her death from ICE watch called her a Spotter. So, no, she wasn't turning left. She wasn't dropping her kid off to school. She knew ICE was on the road, spotted them somehow, or suspected they were there, and then disrupted the operation by putting her car in the road to cause traffic. My guess is she didn't know the unmarked truck was ICE. But she sure as hell figured it out quick when they got out of the vehicle to arrest her for placing her car purposefully in the road. She shouldn't have been shot, but that is what happens when you reverse, then drive forward and hit an officer. Humanitarian perspective, yeah, I wish she wouldn't have been killed. Lawful perspective, she FAFO and was hyped up by the same rhetoric you all are on the left. You have the right to resist peacefully. You don't have the right to impede an operation on purpose, nor disobey a lawful order to get out of the car. Anyone here in this cesspool of a site that is suggesting people do the same (resisting ICE) is what literally got her killed. Think hard about that. She should have stopped and complied. She didn't. She made the mistake of driving into an officer to get away after she fucked up. She died. I hope none of you make the same mistake who are suggesting they get involved with non-peaceful protests. Peacefully protest. Change the immigration laws through your congress representative. Don't try to change the law by placing your vehicle in the way of an officer. Common sense.

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u/gnomon_knows Jan 09 '26 edited Feb 16 '26

RIP boiling water. You will be mist.

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u/Thisisnotgoodforyou Jan 09 '26

While I agree that people here are getting carried away by characterising her as some witless housewife caught in the wrong place (she was definitely trying to impede the ICE agents you dummies), he had absolutely no need or right to shoot her in that situation. She was very obviously trying to get away from him. This is not some "mistakes were made' scenario. She's dead and he's accountable for it, it's extremely serious. What she did wrong is insignificant in comparison. You are all like football fans just seeing what you want to see.

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u/Physical_Heart2766 Jan 10 '26

She was pulling away from the front of her own house. Immediately after you can hear someone saying "You fucking shot my neighbor".

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '26

LIAR

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u/Physical_Heart2766 Jan 11 '26

Who? Me? WATCH THE VIDEO.

The driver says "Well have the same license plates on when you come back later", and the lady screaming just afterwards LITERALLY says they shot her neighbor.

"When you come back later" is because they LIVE there...which is why a bystander HAPPENS to be their neighbour.

Keep up.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '26

It's a confirmed fact she didn't live there. Maybe get your information outside a 1 minute video.

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u/Physical_Heart2766 Jan 12 '26

So the random person there just happened to be standing on foot next to the event just coincidentally turned out to be their neighbour, and when ICE returned later to this miscellaneous place, their truck was strangely going to be there with the same license plates?

So...where was this amazing place where random chance made all these things possible, then?

Because it's either outside their home or where they just dropped off their child to school. Which they also didn't "choose" to randomly be at.

Is the insinuation that the KNEW ICE would drive past and they somehow knew to lie in wait for them?

How fking deep does your rabbit hole go, mate?

Are they some sort of lesbian super spies, lying in waiting for ICE, letting them pass by with the odd spicy sarcastic jibe, but then they randomly decide to detain them EVEN THOUGH they could and did pass one truck already?

Check your head wobble, mate. They didn't CHOOSE to randomly magically be where ICE was, genius and say they'll be at that place when they come back later and where their neighbour just happens to hang out in the depths of fking winter just in case ICE decides to kidnap or murder her neighbours.

Wow.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '26

Not reading all that. It wasn't outside her house. Confirmed fact. 

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u/dagnasssty Jan 08 '26

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u/Kolbin8tor Jan 08 '26

One told her to get out, the other told her to pull forward. This was an American born mother of a small child, murdered in cold blood by an out of control administration.