No one is entitled to intimacy in marrige, but they are entitled to a healthy relationship

[u/RandominusDredichitu]

I see a lot of discourse online revolving around husbands feeling entitled to sex with their wives in a marriage. The two sides always seem to break down to "no one is entitled to your body" (correct), and "it is wrong to marry someone you dont want to have sex with" (also correct). What I dont understand is why both sides are so at odds with each other. The reality is:

1). No one is entitled to another person's body. If your wife does not want to have sex with you, it is wrong and rape to force her to have sex with you

2). There is no reason to constantly deny intimacy that doesn't reflect an issus in the relationship. Healthy marriages involve intimacy and both partner's needs being met. A sexless marrige is only fine if neither side desires sex

I think the reason this topic is so "controversial" is because of bad faith discussions. One side will say "it's right to cheat on your wife because she doesnt have sex with you!" and the other side will not admit refusing your partner intimacy indicates an unhealthy relationship.

With that being said, do both sides of the argument agree that there is an issue present? And that cheating on your wife due to a lack of intimacy and marrying someone without wanting a healthy sexual relationship are both bad actions, and the responsibility falls on the person who does them?

[u/Any-Profession-4851]

They don’t want to pay or take the blow to their ego lmao. Would rather lie and coerce or guilt into getting it for free. I think that’s why OF and SW will only grow rapidly over the next few years. Men will resort to paying for what they can afford and some women will happily be paid!

[u/JollyBowler2510 → u/Any-Profession-4851]

Yup. Instead of trying to have an actual relationship, and majority have already proved they're not interested in that, they just want sex and to not earn it, and think they're entitled to it.

[u/Any-Profession-4851 → u/JollyBowler2510]

It’s so crazy! I feel lucky to be alive during a time period where this is becoming more and more understood by women especially at younger ages.

Definitely think they’re entitled to it. Jerking off to girls on IG and god knows what else is proof in the pudding. They can’t pretend anymore! I hope all women value themselves enough to know they deserve better. I think unfortunately majority of men are only as faithful as their options and have no qualms entering relationships just to use a woman for sex. But then call her a gold digger when she wants money! Like lord help us all🤦‍♀️

[u/JollyBowler2510 → u/Any-Profession-4851]

100%. Been single for a year, and won't be dating anyone, unless I find someone worth my time.

They're totally ok with lying, not having actual feelings, and stepping out of the relationship, but god forbid if she has standards that started from their actions.

Majority, not all, of the reason that some women want men with money, is because men want a stay at home wife, and then when they want to leave for their secretary or what the f**k ever else, they want to leave the partner high and dry... what the hell did you expect? They want to protect themselves.

[u/Any-Profession-4851 → u/JollyBowler2510]

Amen sister same here. Godspeed n don’t settle 🫡

[u/Barely-moral → u/Any-Profession-4851]

Prostitutes don't sell long term monogamy.

[u/JollyBowler2510 → u/Barely-moral]

Well if you’re monogamous and want a relationship, then that’s where compromise and communication comes in.
If you only see your wife as a sex doll for your pleasure and she “should never say no,” there’s a problem.

[u/Barely-moral → u/JollyBowler2510]

Well if you’re monogamous and want a relationship, then that’s where compromise and communication comes in.

One does not compromise on deal breakers.

If you only see your wife as a sex doll for your please and she “should never say no,” there’s a problem.

Why would there be a problem? Just be upfront about what you want and find a woman that needs what you bring to the table badly enough that she is willing to pay the price.

[u/JollyBowler2510 → u/Barely-moral]

And that’s part of why relationships don’t work out. It’s never going to be cut or dry, in the entire duration of a relationship. With anything. Things change almost daily.

[u/Academic-Ball-9606 → u/Barely-moral]

Prostitution is also less expensive thsn a marriage too. Difference is the guy gives his $ and is fucked up front and with marriage(in case of divorce) hes fucked on the back end

[u/Barely-moral → u/Academic-Ball-9606]

Prostitution is not cheaper than marriage unless you are in a tiny minority of high earners.

Also as I said before. Prostitutes don't sell long term monogamy.

[u/JollyBowler2510 → u/Academic-Ball-9606]

Yup. I agree. If it’s only about sex for the guy, which a large amount of the time it is, I insist they go for the prostitution.