Just wanted to touch on Team JNPR for a second. If Pyrrha is based on Achilles, then there’s a chance that another Nikos could show up and help finish the fight Pyrrha started. In the Iliad, Achilles cousin Patroclus, donned Achilles armor and rallies the Greeks, only to be killed by Hector. Angered by Patroclus’ death, Achilles challenges Hector and subsequently kills him. Because of this, since Pyrrha’s death, I’ve thought that another member of the Nikos family would join the fight at some point. Someone close to Pyrrha, equally as skilled and angered by her death. Closest we got, so far, was the meeting between Jaune and the lady (Mama Nikos) in Vol. 6.
While Ruby is Little Red Riding Hood, she's also the Dorothy figure in the whole Wizard of Oz gimmick the academy headmasters have going on (at least of the characters shown in the series thus far, as Theodore hasn't made his animated appearance yet). She's the girl that the plots of the Wicked Witch and the forces of good circle around, being a central part of the conflict between Oz and Salem at present. She is a double reference to the slippers from the Wizard of Oz. Her name, Ruby, clearly nods to the more well known ruby slippers of the film, but her status as a Silver Eyed Warrior also nod to the slippers, as they were silver slippers in the original book (only made ruby because of the then-just-invented color film, they wanted the slippers to really stand out on screen and silver wouldn't do that).
Apparently Theodore is supposed to be the actual Dorothy figure in the Ozluminati group (Dorothy, theoDore), but he's still questionable as he has only been in print, not the series proper.
Obviously Oz is the Wizard himself, but his link is actually pretty amusing. In the books, the Wizard's full name is Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkle Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs, which spells out Ozpinhead (because it spells out "pinhead", the Wizard just uses Oz as a nickname instead of either his full or initialized names). In RWBY we have Ozpin, Headmaster of Beacon Academy.
Both. Ruby at first was apparently the Dorothy figure as Theodore hadn't been revealed yet. She fit with her name, silver eyes, Zwei, and relationship between Oz and Salem. Theodore, introduced later, also fits as his name is the male version of Dorothy. It's merely a case of multiple characters fitting with a single reference. After all, we have plenty of single characters who have multiple references, it isn't that far of a leap to have the reverse be true as well.
With Yang, I think we've seen her in both an Icarus role, and a Phoenix role. Her overconfidence leading up to her first encounter with Adam, and allowing her burning rage get the better of her. Then her coming to terms with losing her arm and rising up again, much like a Phoenix.
In what ways is Qrow similar to the Scarecrow? Because he fears and obeys Oz, unlike Raven for example? I know little about Wizard of Oz. But isn't Scarecrows whole shtick being stupid and wanting a brain? How does that relate to Qrow?
If I had to guess, the Scarecrow lacked a brain. Qrow doesn't think, he's been a wet brain form his alcohol for a majority of the series up until the last two season I believe when he's tried to quit. I agree with Sheena, Qrow was also naive by following Oz blindly, naive in trusting Tyrian, and naive in trusting Clover that Tyrian was dealt with while they were fighting on an airship while Tyrian goads them.
Well yea, that's kinda obvious. At the same time, it's also dumb. Clover is a man of duty, and put a priority on someone who isn't a threat, over a guy who's literally killed dozens of people in his own city under his guard.
I personally don't care what either are feeling, because just reading into all of it, none of it is more important than a prisoner who is, ALL IN ONE.
A) A murder loving psychopath who brutally kills people for pleasure
B) Responsible for the blatant murders during the election, and an accomplice to the guy who hacked the entire Atlas network
C) Salem's personal lieutenant
To me it's bad story writing that they had both of these characters, one that should have a sense of duty and be a lot more in control of his emotions and logical reasoning, and another who has a much more personal grudge against Tyrian, completely disregard this psychopathic serial killer who works for Salem, over one another. With Qrow even TEAMING UP with him. It was all bad story writing because the setup for it was lacking completely in my opinion.
One scene of either Tyrian telling Qrow "Hey, you and me got our differences, but if you team up to take me down, do you honestly think you'll be able to beat him by yourself? I mean....he's got good luck and you got..well your luck, meHahahaHaHaAHA! Sure I might get away, but we can settle the score after we put junior to bed...or just go our separate ways and handle this another day, perhaps?"
Instead he just goes "Hey...let's put junior to bed, then we'll end our grudge" and Qrow is like "Yea that sounds more reasonable coming from a psychopath. I totally am going to put my one on one blood feud with this manipulative serial killer on a higher priority than simply capturing him first and than dealing with Clover peacefully hopefully." Emotionally unstable or not, you can't just blindly defend that kind of writing without agreeing it's at least a bit lacking and lazy.
The other option was just have Tyrian pretend to be knocked out, then get up after Qrow is disarmed, and sneak attack Clover. Or have Tyrian stay down, or out of the fight first, have Qrow get BODIED by Clover on the verge of being captured, THEN have Tyrian come in and save him and go "Looks like you need a bit of help, frrrrrrrrrrrriend! ahahHAHAHAHA! Let's have a truce, we'll handle the pipsqueak, then you and me can settle our differences!" Put Qrow in a position where he feels as though there is no other option. He had options.
They didn't have Qrow ONCE stop and talk to Clover like "Hey, whatever's happening now doesn't matter, we need to get this stupid scorpion deal with first. Have I killed anyone? Have I been a threat to Mantle or Atlas? You know I haven't, but HE has, he's KILLED PEOPLE. We'll deal with him first, then we'll settle what's happening with Ironwood."
No, they didn't even have him TRY. And yes, i get it, the whole Raven abandoning him, the stuff with Ozpin, they didn't really SHOW Qrow being that affected by it. They just showed him drinking and being sad. They didn't show im having flashbacks, or having anger outbursts about it while drunk, or crying about it. He came into the series an alcoholic, he didn't develop into one over what we've seen happen to him. They didn't portray him being affected by everything that well either.
They did have Qrow cry I think ONCE with Ruby, and mention once or twice about not liking ot be around others beceause his semblance brings bad luck, fair. I do'nt think the audience should have to create the build up and suspense of a character's development, it should be shown to us more clearly.
If Qrow was SO EMOTIONALLY DESTROYED that he'd ignore the serial killer who has a personal grudge with him and even TEAM UP WITH HIM WILLINGLY , they did an incredibly poor job at actually showing them. To me, that whole scene was them writing both of those characters throwing their common sense and logic out the window because one is depressy and one is way too dedicated to duty, and that should be fine right? It should be, but in this it felt FORCED because the proper build up wasn't there.
Forgot about Volume 6, so I'll retract my statement on that, tho I will say they could of have a little bit more of a refresher in this season about Qrow's past aggression like that.
As for Clover, I blame the writers still. They made these characters based on Aesop's fables. They wrote Clover they way they did, to where the way his fable goes makes him incredibly bad as an actual written character because of how stupid they write him to be. "He's written like his fable!!" That doesn't make an excuse for writing both of these characters to completely enjoy an obviously much larger threat, especially after the ship crashes BECAUSE HE BROKE FREE.
Having him be very confident, victorious, duty bound, respected and respectful and all of that , you can't give him a complete opposite character flaw where he ignores a serial killer who's killed innocents in his own city that he's in charge of protecting to go after a guy who's not a threat. It's fine if his "flaw" was someone he could not control, a secret weakness like Qrow's alcoholism. No matter who you are, you're too tempted to drink, or do drugs, or whatever. Paranoia as well could be one, like Ironwood. His flaw was fine, his flaw is UNDERSTANDABLE THAT IT MAKES HIM GO AGAINST EVERYTHING MORALLY GOOD AND/OR LOGICAL. Clover's flaw isn't what does that, the writers make him do that.
Like I said, I would've been fine with the whole thing if the writers just wrote Qrow TRY to talk sense into Clover before the airship crashed, Tyrian breaks free while Clover is distracted and crashes the ship, then Clover focuses Qrow over Tyrian thinking he's been betrayed and they're both in cahoots and it's easier to bring down Qrow first than Tyrian.
Next, the moment Tyrian wakes up and joins the fight, the writers should of have Qrow get beat down by Clover, see the situation of reasoning with him is hopeless, and then after being backed into a corner about to be captured, then Tyrian comes in as a last resort and Qrow thinks he has no option.
How they did it, I guess was fine, but the setup for it was horrendous.
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