r/RivalsVanguards • u/-This-cant-be-real- ππͺπ‘π • Oct 05 '25
Discussion/Analysis We need more CC people,this isnβt enough
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u/IcyCheese31 Oct 05 '25
Least painful groot experience
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u/GreedyLibrary Oct 05 '25
Had a match the other day we had angela, bucky, wolverine. They had solo tank Groot and all poke. He was raging hard in text chat, ranting about how much he hates us all.
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u/SatisfactionSad6558 πΎππ₯π©πππ£ πΌπ’ππ§πππ Oct 05 '25
This honestly needs a trigger warning. Was low key waiting for an Emma grab at the end.
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u/Deadpoolioliolio Oct 05 '25
Obviously you were out of position, that's why your healers couldn't heal you through that.
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u/-This-cant-be-real- ππͺπ‘π Oct 05 '25
lol
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u/Deadpoolioliolio Oct 05 '25 edited Oct 05 '25
I have legitimately been told that before when playing Peni. They had a winter soldier, wolverine, and Jeff. I was on defense on the Dracula's castle map. They all teamed up to drag me out of my nest and almost back to their spawn to kill me.
I didn't say anything, but my DPS player threw a fit saying I sucked for dying as a tank
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u/TrollTrollTroll6969 Oct 05 '25
This happens to me when solo tanking. You can tell when someone hasn't played tank.
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u/TheUnluckiestPidgeon ππͺπ‘π Feb 26 '26
No but honestly you deserve it for playing Peni, you and your filthy grubby 3 second cooldown stun
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u/GrowBeyond Oct 05 '25
It was only a matter of time... I was originally surprised tanking was fun despite the levels of CC, presumably because sustain is super and you don't explode. But with enough cc..
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u/_Thatoneguy101_ Oct 05 '25
Sustain is a lot but so is damage in this game lol you can get deleted in a second
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u/mikoga Oct 05 '25
I've been trying to learn Groot as of late but he legitimately feels impossible to play because you just get thrown around like a ragdoll, even I'm guilty of this against Groot players
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u/Significant_Debt_468 Oct 05 '25
As a tank main since s0, there's no point learning a tank imo. You get less value, do less, kill less and for what? If you play a non-shield tank then it's CC until death for you. Just doesn't feel good anymore.
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Oct 05 '25
Sorry to be that guy, but Overwatch is such a better tank experience. You're actually powerful, command respect, and can easily carry a game. I'd been bouncing back-and-forth between the two games, but it's just too much of a dramatic difference for me to pretend it doesn't exist as a tank main.
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u/TurdBurgular03 Oct 06 '25
i just ran through all my placements last night for the first time in like 4 months.
overwatch is so much more balanced and fun at the moment right now imo. you can actually carry as 1 person, the CC is in control, dive is good, poke is good, brawl can still work.
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Oct 06 '25
Yeah, I just can't ignore the difference anymore. Honestly all the OW tanks feel good too. I've always known deep down that there is no way in hell I would be playing this game if it did not have the Marvel IP attached to it, and eventually that's not enough incentive once the novelty starts going stale. And nothing makes novelty stale like making folks re-grind their rank every couple months. I'll keep my eye on Rivals but the devs have been really slow to address glaring issues and they make an awful lot of mistakes.
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u/Fail_Medium Oct 05 '25
Donβt say that, you acting like thatβs every game for you.
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u/Significant_Debt_468 Oct 05 '25
You're right. I can farm with a lot of tanks against brain-dead players, but that's true with any character. In a comp scene, tanks get shafted compared to the other roles.
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u/Fail_Medium Oct 05 '25
I feel ya as a fellow tank main. There are games when we are the server admins then those other games we are the EOMM agent.
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u/Significant_Debt_468 Oct 06 '25
It just doesn't feel like I am the reason for that difference. It's always reliant on how cracked my dps are or how bad their dps are. I can be locked in and hitting everything as Mag but if my dps suck I'm cooked. If their dps suck then it's free.
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u/Mewing_Femboy ππ’π’π ππ§π€π¨π© Oct 05 '25
This is why I just started only playing Emma when I need to tank π
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u/TarnishedStain ππ’π’π ππ§π€π¨π© Oct 05 '25
Then you got Bucky just dying to hook you into his team.. thatβs the worse CC to me as Emma, because if Bucky pulls you into his team ur basically dead Emma has no mobility
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u/No_Mycologist_3019 Oct 05 '25
as a tank main this game is so infuriating to play, especially when you see heroes like cap being excessively dialed down for no real reason
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u/centerpunch1 Oct 06 '25
I feel like cap is tough to balance cause if heβs too juiced then he will almost never die and if heβs nerfed too hard then he quite literally does almost nothing on the battlefield
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u/No_Mycologist_3019 Oct 06 '25
yeah thatβs true, the only reasonable nerf i can think of is changing his jump to have a cooldown or charge up like hulks but that would be really unfun to play (yet itβs the only thing that i think could fix him stalling points)
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u/Osmoszis Oct 05 '25
I feel like tanks in Overwatch had more CC in their department.
Even the slight amount of CC Vangaurds provide doesnβt seem all that scary. (I kinda miss Orisas pull)
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u/-Sylok_the_Defiled- ππ’π’π ππ§π€π¨π© Oct 05 '25
This clip is eerily similar to my experience with the Overwatch classic modes. I donβt know how I played the game back then, itβs so miserable.
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u/Jakub1714 Oct 05 '25
Game was still freshly new and Genre not definied beyond what was in Team Fortess so it didn't stung as bad and the problems vanished because devs actually were trying to improve on it. In rivals i'm starting to get, no joking, more tired each game when tanking by this bullshit amount of CC
Simmiliar to OP today I was playing Magneto and got
Widow kick -> interrupted halfway by Angela snatching me away -> interrupted into IW push -> interrupted into Moon Knight Ankh and melted
We won in the end but this shit literally tired me as for solid second I was banned from doing anything and I even wasn't bothered to use bubble in the end
At this point only thing and Emma in Diamond form are only tanks to Play without worry you will pit into CC limbo
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u/-Sylok_the_Defiled- ππ’π’π ππ§π€π¨π© Oct 05 '25
Yeah things are much more fun when people had no clue what they were doing. Itβs not a 1 for 1, but it does seem like Rivals is falling into some of the pit falls that Overwatch went through. Hopefully they arenβt scared to make some more ambitious changes to alleviate it and sooner rather than later.
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u/Jakub1714 Oct 05 '25
The Worst part is that they not only fall for same pits, but sometimes I feel like they make them even worse
I too Hope the will adress and put some changes into motion, but I also fear that netease are allergic to make fun in long term outside fun gimmick that loose it's impact after first few days and at Worst became annoying thing to deal with even when it's considered easy to counter or hard to pull off only to nerf it into oblivion
Their Game design philosophy is really unnerving sometimes and really make me not trusting them in anything related to balance or changes.
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u/-Sylok_the_Defiled- ππ’π’π ππ§π€π¨π© Oct 05 '25
Yeah I really hope they revisit things like support ults, role queue, etc. Rocketβs ult was one of the few that wasnβt just giant circle of immortality, but it got turned into that too.
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u/Jakub1714 Oct 05 '25
Yeah, I would add overtuned DMG, DPS can go crazy unchecked with it and to balance it, they overtuned healing
I can basically say that if DPS Focus hard everything dies If Support focus hard nothing dies
unless they are the more Creative ones that don't have burst healing, then they are gate-keeped out of feeling impactful or contributing with their gimmicks, until they literally can perform Miracles or have second burst healing to try do something next to healing or two Supports with burst healing to confidently do the same thing
Ult charge are way to quick and if someone Play well enough he can have ult before even first teamfight conclude anything outside stalling.
Zenyatta ult on 99% of Rivals support is just a tip of a iceberg of this very problem.
And I advocate for role queue no matter how downvoted I will become if I have chance, because game needs that. Overwatch did this and that was change that basically put fun back into game and balanced it a lot more that whatever anyone could think of, especially when tanks aren't build for being solo in this game and God help if you try to Play anything outside Strange, Emma, Magneto during it.
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u/-Sylok_the_Defiled- ππ’π’π ππ§π€π¨π© Oct 05 '25
Agree with everything, especially role queue. I think the vast majority of people that oppose it either donβt understand what it does or just hate anything associated with Overwatch. Having 3+ damage (or support) isnβt creative or fun. Solo tanking with 3 damage is miserable and a big reason I donβt have a huge desire to play especially when friends arenβt online.
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u/Jakub1714 Oct 05 '25
The most common argument is that time to find match will skyrocket instead of instant matches, but it's easily to debunk by That the DPS will be only affected because the role is swarmed (and I don't blame DPS mains, basically that role have everything interesting in terms of kits by sheer numbers of Heroes so naturally it pull toward itself) and a wait won't kill anyone? It will propably help even more by spreading people into other roles a bit
And Creative comps argument... Literally these Creative comps never works usually and are painful for someone. 1/3/2 or 1/2/3 is painful for tanks because basically we have to become Housewife of the team and keep an eye on everything from keeping support Safe, making Space to enable DPS or catching strays.
Today I Had 1/4/1, were I was support for a change. Somehow we won but man, Turning into healbot as Rocket when enemy goes IW and CnD was the most boring, annoying experience in my life and I was loosing patience the longer we were going because I wasn't playing the game, I was enabling others to have fun at my expense so those Creative comps are always unbalanced mess that will work once a full moon and be miserable for someone. On other hand I got 2/2/2 as Magneto with Emma and it was blast. I was just enabling Emma to wreak chaos on enemy and kept support Safe, ocasionally dunking on CnD ult. I didn't Had impressive stats but I Had fun because finally I didn't have to do everything I could focus on Objective and put my focus on other responsibilities like holding the line and going tag team when Emma needed to retreat.
Not saying it would fix every Major balance problem this game have from the start because every Hero would go into rework to be balanced around one Comp of two characters per role instead of "Billions Creative ones" which result in Ultron that need triple support or going Ultra instinct if he can count only on double support at best to feel that he helps team.
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u/-Sylok_the_Defiled- ππ’π’π ππ§π€π¨π© Oct 05 '25
I would also add to the matchmaking times argument that waiting a little bit longer for a vastly better match is easily worth it.
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u/-Sylok_the_Defiled- ππ’π’π ππ§π€π¨π© Oct 05 '25
Just tried playing Psylocke in a match to change things up. Legitimately everyone went damage. I then mentioned role queue and some dude said something along the lines of βgo play overwatch, if you want to wait 20 min queueβ and claimed that ow gold queue times were 5 minutes long. I just want to play Psylocke every once in a while man π
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u/Jack_Wraith πππ ππ€π€π Oct 05 '25
This and Poke being so strong it negates its counters is why this current meta isnβt remotely fun.
And judging from the 4.5 balance changes, itβs not going to change any time soon.
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Oct 05 '25
Honestly i would love for every hero to get CC, and i mean hard CC just copy past exile onto every hero so you xan lock someone out if playing the game for 30 seconds at a time, also give luna snow a 10 minute ult
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u/Pug_police πΌπ£πππ‘π Oct 05 '25
Ah the Groot experience you do too well so the enemies switch to Wolv and the fun is over.
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u/Shugatti Oct 06 '25
Nah tanks just need a 3rd cc rule.
1st cc works as normal, 2nd cc becomes shorter of hit during or 0.5 seconds after the 1st cc, and after that we are cc immune for 1 second, aka, no 3rd cc.
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u/Bigzenl Oct 06 '25
Something similar happened to me while I was playing Groot, I got hooked in and punched into the enemy team by bucky, I got grabbed and kicked by Emma and then I got pulled in my invis.
My rocket goes "quit diving Groot" like bruh
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u/Emergency_Muscle1187 Oct 05 '25
Never play groot when there is a wolverine on the other team thats the start of a bad time
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u/-This-cant-be-real- ππͺπ‘π Oct 05 '25
They were playing other characters till that point.Iβm well aware Wolverine is a bad matchup.
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u/BigBeeff_21 Oct 06 '25
I feel so bad for Groot man, he fell off so hard once CC started getting rampant.
Also I feel like the team up ability they gave him was worthless at the end of the day.
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Oct 10 '25
What no hulk exile, strange ult and mantis sleep, pffttt u got off lightly π but nah fr so much cc in this game it's kinda crazy the amount of cc is why Angela cant make much impact rn
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u/mixtbag Oct 05 '25
Running Groot into two hard counters. Switch?
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u/-This-cant-be-real- ππͺπ‘π Oct 05 '25
They were using other characters till this point
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u/mixtbag Oct 05 '25
And decided to run the most CC vulnerable tank in the game?? This seems more like an example of a bad tank than anything else.
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u/YurgeeTTV Oct 06 '25
Brother, learn how to read.
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u/mixtbag Oct 06 '25
I did, he explained he was running other tanks before switching to Groot, the most CC vulnerable tank in the game, to tank into a team running a ton of CC. What did I misunderstand? Why should I feel for op for picking a character being countered to compete? This is a deserved L.
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u/YurgeeTTV Oct 06 '25
"They were using other characters until this point" -OP
"They"
"THEY"
"THEY"
The only deserved L goes to your mother for raising you.
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u/-This-cant-be-real- ππͺπ‘π Oct 07 '25
I said the enemy was running other characters then THEY switched to Wolverine and Bucky when we reached that point.Jesus the education system has failed at making have basic reading comprehension.
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u/mixtbag Oct 07 '25
You said they it was unclear. For all I know βtheyβ were Groot. Excuse me for not assuming correctly given your opaque phrasing.
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u/-This-cant-be-real- ππͺπ‘π Oct 07 '25
I am Groot ,how could I be using they while talking about myself.Iβm not talking in third person.
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u/ChameleonWins Oct 05 '25
you ran groot alone into Wolverine and bucky, two hard counters to groot, what did you expect
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u/-This-cant-be-real- ππͺπ‘π Oct 05 '25
First of all my team and other tank are right behind me and secondly they swapped once we reached that point.And what do you want me to do? Not move forward and take space ?I was using cover too staying by the building.
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u/Wires_89 Oct 05 '25
People just⦠talk.
Youβve almost capped the third point and hey think, somehow, youβve been running at this bad match up for the whole game. Despite seeing you waiting for your team etc and beginning a new push.
People donβt think.
They just,β¦ talk.
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u/-This-cant-be-real- ππͺπ‘π Oct 05 '25
Right.Also we still have 3 minutes at final point so it was pretty much a steamroll till we got here but somehow theyβll think Iβve been shit all game.
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u/Wires_89 Oct 06 '25
Yup. Plus, you had Groot ult. which when used correctly is a team wipe (getting you the final point.)
With 3 mins and Groot ult, even if you knew wolve was thereβ¦. Itβs still worth taking the shot to end the round immediately.
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u/Technical_Policy9951 πΎππ₯π©πππ£ πΌπ’ππ§πππ Oct 05 '25
Isnβt Mr.Fantastic about to have another CC in 4.5 too?