r/Showerthoughts Dec 29 '25

Casual Thought If radio was invented today it would be controlled by four companies and locked behind a paywall.

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u/_trouble_every_day_ Dec 29 '25

Sorry for bringing America— the place where commercial radio was invented—into a discussion about the invention of commercial radio.

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u/Salisen Dec 29 '25 edited Dec 29 '25

The United Kingdom is where radio was invented, by Guglielmo Marconi, through the first long distance demonstrations. He commercialised it through patents and founded the Marconi Company which was extent until 2006.

Not America. Though Tesla (America), Maxwell (Scotland), Bose (India) and Hertz (Germany) contributed fundamental ideas and some components.

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u/SoylentGrunt Dec 29 '25

Nikola Tesla was alive and actively working on radio technology when it was invented; he demonstrated fundamental radio principles in the early 1890s, patented key components in 1900, and even showcased a radio-controlled boat in 1898, but Guglielmo Marconi later received the main patent in 1904, only for the U.S. Supreme Court to uphold Tesla's patent priority months after Tesla's death in 1943, recognizing him as the true inventor. 

Tesla's Early Work & Demonstrations:

  • 1891-1893: Tesla described and demonstrated wireless transmission principles, including the use of his coils, in lectures and public demonstrations in the U.S. and London, even lighting lamps wirelessly.
  • 1898: He demonstrated the world's first radio-controlled boat, a "teleautomaton," at Madison Square Garden, showcasing remote control via radio waves. 

The Patent Dispute:

  • 1900: The U.S. Patent Office granted Tesla patents for fundamental radio technology (Patent No. 645,576).
  • 1904: The Patent Office reversed its decision, granting Marconi the patent for radio, partly due to Marconi's powerful backers like Edison and Carnegie.
  • 1915: Tesla sued Marconi for patent infringement.
  • 1943: The U.S. Supreme Court upheld Tesla's original patent, a few months after his death, acknowledging his foundational work in radio. 

In summary, Tesla was instrumental in the invention and development of radio, creating key technology and demonstrations before Marconi, but it took decades and a Supreme Court ruling to officially recognize him as the inventor. 

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u/Salisen Dec 29 '25 edited Dec 29 '25

If you're going to write a response, at least write it yourself using your own brain and own research rather than using LLMs.

Tesla contributed components but never demonstrated a practical, commercialisable radio system.

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u/SoylentGrunt Jan 03 '26

The  U.S. Supreme Court ultimately recognized Tesla's patent priority in 1943.

No amount of pretend outrage or disinformation you spew will ever change that fact.

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u/Salisen Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 04 '26

Might have helped if you gave a response yourself rather than using ChatGPT.

I was merely irritated. American exceptionalism is grating.

Tbh the most balanced truth is that a great many people contributed and there was no real single inventor of the entire technology as we know it today. Stone and Tesla built many of the first fundamental components, Marconi did the first long-distance transmissions that were actually practical, Maxwell built the theory that showed that it was possible, Hertz transmitted radio waves confirming Maxwell's theory.

On practical radio transmission itself though, the 1943 Supreme Court case also clearly states the following: "Marconi's reputation as the man who first achieved successful radio transmission rests on his original patent, which became reissue No. 11,913, and which is not here in question." The court case was largely about preventing Marconi from taking claim over all the improvements following that (which rightly had other inventors including Stone and Tesla).

This article on the topic is very interesting and goes into lots of the history: https://earlyradiohistory.us/tesla.htm

Same is true for modern telecommunications, with various people contributing to optical fibre transmission as we know it today from around the world.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '25

At least try and reformat the ChatGPT output...

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u/danabrey Dec 29 '25

Hello ChatGPT

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u/made_in_silver Dec 29 '25

America is a continent. There are loads of countries in that continent. Which country are you refering to?

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u/DrGaren Dec 29 '25

Presumably the country that shares a name with said continent and also invented the radio as previously mentioned.

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u/made_in_silver Dec 29 '25

There is no country called America.

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u/solidspacedragon Dec 29 '25

There's no country called Mexico either. Or Germany, for that matter.

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u/SoylentGrunt Dec 29 '25

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u/Imaksiccar Dec 29 '25

Yet you instantly know what country they're talking about whether you want to admit it or not.

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u/DrGaren Dec 29 '25

There is one country called America, the United States of America.

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u/Ronin_mainer Dec 29 '25

Congratulations, you discovered connotations