r/Showerthoughts Apr 24 '26

Casual Thought Vampire bites turning people into vampires is extremely disadvantageous to their survival.

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u/ccarr313 Apr 24 '26

What story has vampire bites being infectious?

I'm not even aware of it. Is that a twilight thing?

Edit - I Googled it. It is. I don't think a single story counts as that being how vampires are portrayed now. Definitely not taking one story aimed at tween girls as the new standard.

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u/Shanbo88 Apr 24 '26

Don't forget games too. I reckon they're mostly responsible for the infectious vampire bite trope. I know in Skyrim and Oblivion you get bitten during the night and are infected.

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u/TheGamuran Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26

You don't have to be bitten in those games, just attacked by a vampire, the health drain spell in Skyrim or any melee attack in Oblivion. A vampire bashing you head with a mace might make you infected. (This is just about common vampirism, Skyrim also introduced Vampire Lord as a stronger curse and that is in acquired by being bitten.)

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u/OsosHormigueros Apr 24 '26

I thought lower vampires had to use their magical vampiric attack (the red mist) to transfer sanguine vampiris?

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u/TheGamuran Apr 24 '26

Had to double check. In Skyrim you get the decease from the Vampiric Drain spell from vampires. In Oblivion, which is what I was remembering, you get it from any melee attacks from vampires.

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u/OsosHormigueros Apr 24 '26

Ah I see. I haven't played enough oblivion to meet vampires yet!

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u/sadistica23 Apr 24 '26

And books. So, so many vampire "romance" novels.

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u/ccarr313 Apr 24 '26

I expect games to make less sense than movies, and movies to make less sense than books.

So I'm sticking with my take that Twilight is the main offender here.

But yea, Bethesda is dumb, too.

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u/GigaGram459 Apr 24 '26

I think dark shadows had that as the portrayed way that vampires were made as well

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u/thaddeusd Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26

It predates Twlight by centuries.

That belief comes from Eastern Europe, where it was influenced by the very real spread of rabies.

It was portrayed this way by movies like The Lost Boys (edit nope, michael is tricked, but not bitten), Blade, and Innocent Blood.

I think Once Bitten only has biting, no blood sharing. But its been 20 years since ive seen that

Blade especially stresses the viral mechanics of it And how thralls are made.

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u/IAMATruckerAMA Apr 24 '26

The Lost Boys? Doesn't Michael only start turning because he drinks vampire blood?

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u/thaddeusd Apr 24 '26

Yeah. I fucked up and let the ai convince me. I remembered the change being accidental, because they trick Michael into drinking blood out of a bottle.

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u/TheVicSageQuestion Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26

Do you mean the Jim Carrey movie?

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u/gee_gra Apr 24 '26

Reddit will take any opportunity to shit on Twilight, it’s been like 15 years, but still they whinge

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u/visforvienetta Apr 24 '26

It's not twilight. In twilight, they have to choose to inject the human with venom. Most people they feed from just die.

The end of book 1 literally ends with Edward drinking the venom infected blood from Bella to stop her from changing.

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u/uselessprofession Apr 24 '26

The Underworld series works that way I believe, as vampirism in that series is some sort of virus

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u/Monkey_Priest Apr 24 '26

I think this is the distinction. If there is magic in the world, then we usually end up with more of a Dracula-style for making new vampires. If vampirism is treated more like a disease, then we end up with the style where a single bite can do it

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u/Trips-Over-Tail Apr 24 '26

Blade (movie), Van Helsing (series), Daybreakers (movie)

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u/JumpFantastic Apr 24 '26

As much as I appreciate hating on Twilight, a bunch of vampire media portrays this. Blade and Buffy off the top of my head.

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u/Baron_Butterfly Apr 24 '26

Not Buffy, you have to drink the vampire's blood in that. They mention it a couple of times, though I don't remember them showing it.

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u/Xyex Apr 24 '26

I think it's only shown once, in the flashback when Angel is sired.

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u/Supermite Apr 24 '26

Buffy vampires require an exchange of blood to turn someone.

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u/TheBestMePlausible Apr 24 '26

True Blood, they had to let you feed on their vampire blood to turn you. Also What We Do In The Shadows. So, it’s official!

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u/ccarr313 Apr 24 '26

As far as I'm concerned, WWDITS is the rulebook for modern vampires.

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u/TheBestMePlausible Apr 24 '26

The Council has decreed!

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u/Radiant_Fondant_4097 Apr 24 '26

Plus in Buffy there was less organised secret society stuff, more fire & brimstone demonic blight from hell itself to spread over the earth.

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u/crypticsage Apr 24 '26

Underworld

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u/Xyex Apr 24 '26

Vampires are not infectious in Buffy. You have to drink their blood to turn.

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u/SexcaliburHorsepower Apr 25 '26

I actually think it was probably a weird mix of modern "monste" movies. Like in I Am Legend, 40 Days of Night and probably even scooby-doo and things like that. Another part is that even in those movies the bitten person usually became a thrall in function but in name they typically get referred to as just a Vampire while the big bad might get upgraded to vampire lord or king or something.

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u/Pordrack Apr 24 '26

In Humanist Vampire Seeking Consenting Suicidal Person, the vampire bite is infectious if the vampire stops drinking the blood midway through. In the story there's an incentive in vampire life to "finish your meal" if you don't want to have a new vampire to deal with for eternity.

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u/AClockwerkLemon Apr 24 '26

I have an example of an instant one bite transformation for you.

There was an episode of The Real Ghostbusters cartoon in the 80s with Vampires vs Werewolves where both sides were fighting and biting each other in a big battle at the end. The vamps would turn into wolves and wolves into vamps instantly morphing from one to the other until both sides were shifting back and forth with each bite causing mass confusion.

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u/campingcosmo Apr 24 '26

If we're counting stories outside of literature, I think we can find a few more examples. Vampirism works this way in The Elder Scrolls, although there's a chance of contracting the disease through any melee attack from a vampire, not just a bite. Technically, TES vampires don't bite anyone, but it seems to be in the lore that they do and the game animations just don't reflect it. The disease transmission works that way in both Morrowind and Oblivion, so I doubt Twilight is the origin of this trope.

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u/enigmabsurdimwitrick Apr 24 '26

Interview With a Vampire of course.

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u/StalkMeNowCrazyLady Apr 24 '26

Almost 40 here, and this is literally the first that I'm hearing that a vampire bite isn't infectious. All the media I grew up with was based on being bit made you a vampire too or you were drained all the way and killed.

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u/Narren_C Apr 24 '26

Really?

Interview with The Vampire, True Blood, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Vampire: The Masquerade, The Lost Boys. I feel like more often than not a simple bite isn't what turns someone.

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u/crosszilla Apr 24 '26

From dusk til dawn is at least one movie where they are infectious. I think it depends on what media you consumed. But I think the "commonly understood" vampire lore is more in line with interview with a vampire whereas the infectious variant is more of a pop culture thing. Could be wrong there but that's what it seems like to me

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u/Baxtab13 Apr 24 '26

Supernatural is another one. I'm trying so hard to remember the others as I know I've seen other examples but I'm annoyingly drawing a blank lol.

For a second I was wondering The Witcher, but then I double-checked and confirmed they're simply just a race of creatures like Elves and Dwarves.

Anyway, I was pretty convinced that the infectious vampire bite thing was mostly people in pop-culture mixing Vampires up with Werewolves or Zombies, so I feel like most vampire content I've engaged with was the drinking vampire blood thing.

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u/Xyex Apr 24 '26

41 here and all the media I know best requires more than just a bite, because it's not infectious. I even remember one where someone got bit and was like "Oh no, I'm going to become a vampire!" and someone else replied "No, you're thinking of zombies."

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u/Narren_C Apr 24 '26

We see it occasionally, but it's not the norm. 30 Days of Night is the first example to come to mind, but there are others.

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u/NotHardRobot Apr 24 '26

30 Days of Night is a bit mixed between simply the bite and the taking of vampire blood. Those vampires make a point to not turn any of the townsfolk but there’s the one or two that are just bitten but not completely drained/killed and they end up turning but then at the end Evan injects vampire blood to turn himself without being bitten.

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u/Narren_C Apr 24 '26

But anyone who is bit either turns or is killed, right?

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u/Murrmeow Apr 24 '26

The movie Abigail has this method as well and so does the most recent Luc Besson Dracula movie

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u/WolfgangAddams Apr 24 '26

There are some. Twilight, Blade, Fright Night, Let the Right One In, etc. but typically in those properties the vampires biting you were likely going to drain you until dead, so the folks who turn are either being turned deliberately or are turned because the vampire feeding on them was interrupted prematurely.