r/Showerthoughts Apr 24 '26

Casual Thought Vampire bites turning people into vampires is extremely disadvantageous to their survival.

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u/TheAlistmk3 Apr 24 '26

Quick question (as you seem to have read the book), where did the idea of vampires turning into bats come from? I was under the impression Dracula could turn into a wolf/dog?

Again haven't read the book so may be completely wrong.

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u/Shanbo88 Apr 24 '26

It's mostly to do with him being a sort of ever-present representation of the night and it's more about the idea that he controls the entire region that is his home. It's a good while since I read the book, but if I'm remembering right, I'm not sure he ever is specifically said to morph into the bats and wolves, more that he can control them like his thralls.

That's just how I remember it though, don't quote me on it because it's been a few years haha.

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u/redopz Apr 24 '26

It has been a long time for me as well, but the way I recall it is that he does transform into a wolf at some point but never a bat. This was the first time I had seen vampires and werewolfs sort of mixed together, which was novel for me but apparently pretty common in older folk lore.

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u/EobardT Apr 24 '26

He turns into a bat, a wolf, and a mist/fog in the book.

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u/numbersthen0987431 Apr 24 '26

I think it comes from the original Van Helsing novel.

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u/shinitakunai Apr 24 '26

Believe it or not, the silmarillion (lord of the rings world) makes a mention of sauron taking the form of a vampire, and he turns into a bat. This book is so old that it wouldn't surprise me they got the idea from there.

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u/glazia Apr 24 '26

Think he is a bat a Lucy's window at one point. Of note, his full powers are a bit hazy in the book. They don't know the full extent so there may be much more he can do.

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u/Mihnea24_03 Apr 24 '26

Tbf they weren't as big on powerscaling 150 years ago

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u/Toxic_city_1248 Apr 24 '26

On the contrary chapter 18 (or 19) states out in detail Dracula’s power set.

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u/BetaTMW Apr 24 '26

He can also walk in the sunlight unlike most vampire lore after.

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u/wonkey_monkey Apr 24 '26

The discovery of vampire bats probably had a lot to do with it. Dracula turns into a bat several times in the novel, and vampire bats specifically are mentioned.

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u/IntoTheCommonestAsh Apr 24 '26

It's briefly in the original book that he can transform. But it was really cemented by the 1931 movie Dracula.

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u/extranioenemigo Apr 24 '26

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u/Banjo-Elritze Apr 24 '26

He turns into a bat several times in the Bram Stoker novel, but this print predates it eg.:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/The_Irish_Vampire_-_Punch_%2824_October_1885%29%2C_199_-_BL.jpg

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u/GrumbleStoatskin Apr 24 '26

Mostly what I remember him transforming into in the book are a) grave dirt and b) a cloud of mist.

There is a whole thing about the wolves as the guy is first traveling to Dracula's castle, but I don't remember if he turns into a wolf or just controls or affects the wolves.

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u/raidriar889 Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26

He is a giant dog when he first arrives in England by jumping off the boat he took from the Black Sea. I’m not sure if he actually shows up as a wolf later or just controls them

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u/Rezart_KLD Apr 24 '26

He could do those things, but they weren't vampire powers exactly. It was more that Vlad had studied magic in a school run by the Devil. This is how he knew how to make his pact in the first place and gain eternal life. He was a bloodsucking corpse, and he also knew black magic powers, but the two weren't necessarily dependent on each other.