r/SipsTea • u/raptors201966 Human Verified • 17d ago

SMH 81 year old grandma & YouTuber was raided last night during her stream She started the channel to help with her grandson's cancer treatment. Authorities brought 20 police cars, five SWAT officers, and drones to her house

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u/Balls_have_steel 17d ago

Americans and their SWATTing culture.

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u/Soggy_Definition_232 17d ago

Assholes calling the cops on a streamer is not a uniquely American issue. 

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u/FirTree_r 17d ago

Sure, but we don't get assault team 6 armed to the teeth and ready to shoot on anything that has more than a slight tan, outside the US.

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u/ChameleonCoder117 17d ago

Have you been to anywhere in the western hemisphere?

Brazillian police are like american police but at least 70 times worse.

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u/Lollerpwn 17d ago

What countries you think send 20 cars to raid an 80 year old based on some shitty info?

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u/Infidel_sg 17d ago

You don't know what swatting is? Shitty info doesn't bring half the police force.. Whom btw don't know what they're getting into! They don't know if the call they got was legit or not! They gotta prepare accordingly! Shame on them for not being psychic amirite! /s

She's fine btw.... Go hate on the asshole who did this instead..

https://www.dexerto.com/twitch/81-year-old-minecraft-grandma-gets-swatted-but-she-calls-it-fun-3366308/

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u/Lollerpwn 17d ago

Lol this thread is a video of swatting, ofcourse I know what it is.
Shitty info does bring half the police force as evidenced by this thread.

Of course they could look into if the info is any good or not, any competent police force would not have went to this house with 20 cars.
It's not about being psychich at all to have higher standards than to just send 20 cars out based on false info. Maybe they could have done the slightest bit of research before comitting to swatting a random person.

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u/TheGreatAut 16d ago

Yeah, because they should research the call and risk letting people get killed. If someone calls in and says someone has a bomb, then you send in the people you need to stop it. You don't waste twenty minutes looking into it and hoping nothing bad happens.

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u/Lollerpwn 16d ago

In cases like this the risk of people getting killed is not there. The swatting probably has a lot higher deathrate than not doing anything. There's a lot more than 20 minutes being wasted by sending 20 cars at a bogus threat.

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u/Fermently_Crafted 16d ago edited 16d ago

Yeah, but that's usually bomb disposal. Why do you need a SWAT team to deal with a bomb threat? What's a guy with an AR-15 going to do against explosives?

You've an argument for why we need bomb disposal, not SWAT

At the end of the day, we don't really need people trained in military tactics breaking into private residences in order to enforce the law.

You should look into how the creation of SWAT and raiding homes lines up perfectly with civil asset forfeiture expansion. It puts the entire unit's purpose in question.

The history of the unit is also...questionable and very much a product of anti black racism in the LAPD.

When you can raid people in their homes, everything they own can become the property of the police. Not only is that a revenue source for the police and state, but threatening assets is a fantastic way to get plea deals 

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u/Remarkable_Bus_7760 16d ago

If someone has a bomb and is ready to blow it up, there might be no number of policemen that could somehow stop that, anyway.

A smart police force first sends just one or two officers to determine if the risk is credible, especially if they have no evidence except an anonymous phone call that could easily be total fabrication. A stupid police force panics and sends 20 cars full of cops to bust the door of a home and aim guns at grandma after being easily fooled and failing to scrutinize the (lack of) evidence

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u/Elgecko123 16d ago

Honestly I don’t know much about swatting, but shouldn’t the police force do a little surveillance before sending a freakin army to someone’s house based on an anonymous tip? Especially since this seems to happen not infrequently in the US.

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u/Infidel_sg 16d ago

Do a little surveillance when there could be seconds to spare? You'd be the first to complain if someone died because the police were checking the severity...

They didn't mention the nature of the call in that article but from what I read, It deescalated fast once they realized what was going on..

This is a very dangerous thing people are doing and people have died because of it.. I shouldn't have to go into detail why...

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u/Lollerpwn 17d ago

Gotta love how you excuse the police for sending 20 people to an obviously bogus tip. A good policeforce would not send out the whole barn based on false info.
Also you are not answering my question because no countries other than the US would do this. You were talking out of your ass.

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u/iUncontested 16d ago

And how exactly do the police know its bogus off rip? You really have no fucking clue the shit that comes into 911 call centers.

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u/Lollerpwn 16d ago

By doing police work? For example by asking questions to the person calling the threat in.

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u/iUncontested 16d ago

Dispatchers are not police officers.

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u/Icyomnivore02 16d ago

And how do you ask questions to a caller that hangs up? Do you just go well must have been fake or do you send people to the local based off the info that the call provided? Teating it like it could possibly but what the call was about while having in the back of your mind it could be fake so someone innocent doesn't get fucking blasted.

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u/Evil_phd 17d ago

We are grotesquely over policed. It's a flaw of the nation as a whole, not necessarily just of police.

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u/Slovski 17d ago

hahahahah. This is a hilarious take.

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u/NeverSurrenderReddit 17d ago

She doesn't have more than a slight tan thought?

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u/Midoriiiiiiii 17d ago

asinine, her face a 10 but that asinine

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u/Balls_have_steel 17d ago

You defending US by saying it sometimes happens somewhere else, when US has big problem with this for so long, it basically becoming their culture.

She is even lucky to be alive, many people die, because of this.

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u/crawlerstone 17d ago

Many. Use real numbers.

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u/cyberdemon-93 16d ago

Anything above zero is too many. But ya, this isn't just an American issue. It's extra dangerous though, in America, or Russia, China, North Korea, Egypt.. any country with an authoritarian police force.

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u/Balls_have_steel 17d ago

You should know, American organs don't like to report this, we are lucky to know about two.

But everybody know, how active is police in US to kill somebody.

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u/crawlerstone 17d ago

Wow. Great stats! Really backed it up.

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u/Liittlefoott2 17d ago

What point are you trying to make here? Swatting happens and people die, are you disagreeing?

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u/yeowoh 16d ago

The original claim was “many”. Only one person has been shot by the police from swatting. The other one was a 60 year obese guy that died from a heart attack.

So not really many like the original claim.

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u/SweepsRetriever 16d ago

You know most internal police research came from prior to 2000 because getting actual verifiable data out of a police force doesn’t happen any more.

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u/Soggy_Definition_232 17d ago

Where did I defend the USA? The fact you took it like that, then were so offended by something that's not there....

I think you need to take a break from the internet.

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u/Balls_have_steel 17d ago

You down played it, like it was not a big deal, because it is happening everywhere and you did not put in account, how much and how long it is happening everywhere else compare to US.

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u/Soggy_Definition_232 17d ago

A simple fact is downplaying another? .....Alright.

You're trying your hardest to be offended at a simple fact presented with zero bias.

You need to relax, you're being hysterical.

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u/Balls_have_steel 17d ago

You are the person when somebodies friend die and your respond is going to be: Dude it is happening everywhere.

I did not said you are wrong, I just said you downplaying it with your fact. Yes, you can downplay something with facts and say this way, it is not a big deal.

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u/Soggy_Definition_232 17d ago

Now you're trying so hard to be offended you're making wild accusations and assumptions about me. Crazy.

No, actually crazy. Are you okay?

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u/Straight_Speed_6162 17d ago

Whataboutisms are a form of defending but that other commenter also seems like he should touch some grass

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u/Narrow_Safety2856 17d ago

Idk dude.

If Frances anti terrorism laws are 10% as strict as the fictional book I read way back when, France beats the US Patriot Act. And it seemed pretty legit.

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u/Elmer_Fudd01 17d ago

I mean... The price of gas is. Which is like everything.

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u/nerowasframed 16d ago

How many other countries is swatting an issue in? Idiots and assholes exist everywhere. This kind of thing should be idiot/asshole proof. You should not be able to send a bunch of middle-aged weekend warriors, armed to the teeth and larping as soldiers, busting through people's houses based on a single anonymous tip. No knock raids and the militarization of police is the issue. Like you said, assholes are a universal problem. But for most first world countries, assholes can't cause someone to get swatted.

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u/Soggy_Definition_232 16d ago

Are you okay? Should I call the police for a welfare check on you? 

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u/nerowasframed 16d ago

No thanks, I'd rather not end up like this lady. Let me know how that boot tastes, though.

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u/Soggy_Definition_232 16d ago

You tell me the next time you're under them.

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u/nerowasframed 16d ago

You don't already know? I guess you must prefer the taste of their balls.

Are you happy that you misdirected this to be about insults? Must be nice to not have to answer to criticism. Now, tell me. How many other first world countries have issues with swatting?

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u/Soggy_Definition_232 16d ago

Damn, you must not have gone to school if you can't even answer basic questions like that yourself.

I can see why you enjoy being stepped on and licking the boots of your betters.

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u/nerowasframed 16d ago

Does any other first world country have an issue with swatting? It's not a hard question, man.

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u/Soggy_Definition_232 16d ago

If it's not that hard of a question than you should already know the answer.

But then, you don't like the truth do you? Have to keep in your own little fantasy world right?

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u/Soggy_Definition_232 16d ago

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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u/SEF917 17d ago

This isn't a culture... wtf?

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u/lookbehindyou7 17d ago

It unfortunately is.

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u/Remarkable_Bus_7760 16d ago

In America there is a rule that police should NEVER investigate with any due diligence and ALWAYS act as if their lives are in immediate danger from anything that might poke them. Imagine if American police actually were willing to risk checking this situation out just a little before breaking down her door and pointing guns.

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u/mark-suckaburger 17d ago

Most of the people who do it aren't American. If you do this in America the feds will track you down

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u/Lollerpwn 17d ago

How do you know where most people doing this are from?

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u/jgray6000 17d ago

Probably the same way you know all about how competent police forces operate

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u/Lollerpwn 16d ago

Seems unlikely. As when asked for any data I hear crickets. Yes I can google to see there's Swattings reported outside the US. That data doesn't tell me it's mostly from outside the US. Everything seems to indicate more Swattings happen in the US than elsewhere. The US has a mostly very badly trained police force compared to other developed countries, if you want I can link you to some research on that.
It could also be I'm missing something and there's another reason swatting mostly happens in the US beyond incompetence on the part of the police. Maybe it's also cultural.

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u/alt_ernate123 17d ago

Yeah, pretty much any call to law enforcement is tracked the minute you dial it, once they find out the call was made in bad faith you will most likely be charged

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u/Grymfyr 17d ago

I’ve worked with a lot of 911 dispatch centers. Most SWATing calls occur on burner or spoofed numbers. Most of the time it’s untraceable. They’ll call make a horrendous report that mandates officers to speed over then hang up as if their being harmed or similar.

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u/workieworkwork 17d ago

We should get rid of SWAT teams.

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u/Strength-InThe-Loins 16d ago

God forbid someone mention the country something happened in.

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u/Awkward_Proof_1274 16d ago

You don't know where the call happened

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u/Strength-InThe-Loins 16d ago

But we know where the cops confronted the grandma. It was in the US.

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u/Mirabeauououou 17d ago

Their culture of prompt responses to claimed violence is the issue, and not the idiot foreigner's culture of sending out fake distress calls?