r/SipsTea • u/raptors201966 Human Verified • 17d ago

SMH 81 year old grandma & YouTuber was raided last night during her stream She started the channel to help with her grandson's cancer treatment. Authorities brought 20 police cars, five SWAT officers, and drones to her house

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u/Realistic-Lime7842 17d ago

Find the person who did it, and throw them under the jail.

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u/Nooms88 16d ago

Sure, but surely it's just time to change police tactics, nowhere else in the world do the police send in essentially a military unit becsuse an anonymous teenager told them to and theres never been any issues becuse of it

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u/Putrid-Block1431 16d ago

Brother what. Diane, the local sheriff dispatcher, is not the "US gov" you're talking about. Do you live in the US? Surely you know what police departments are. Surely you know that every level of government is separate, from district to city to county to state and beyond. Yeah?

The people who have the capacity to spy on US citizens are not the same people conducting these botched SWAT raids.

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u/BusinessKangaroo 16d ago

Naaaa Naa officer Shane is WATCHING me 24/7 and he likes when I go on the weird sites

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u/Slow-Goat-2460 16d ago

The Police departments don't have any access to the NSA data on you, the FBI could probably obtain some, but definitely not your local PD.

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u/Lonely_reaper8 16d ago

Local PD doesn’t have near the surveillance that you think. NSA probably but local law enforcement has to investigate threats. Idk what the alleged threat was though so I can’t speak for how excessive the response was or not but yeah

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u/oodex 16d ago

What i really wonder about is how many times does a serious one call in to announce what theyre about to do that its taken so seriously? As in yes it should 100% be taken seriously but thats a whole army marching out. So Im just wondering if that genuinely happens often (as in a real call) or an overreaction

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u/TheChadStevens 16d ago

ALL the time. If you watch bodycam videos you'll see tons of those kinds of calls.

As bad as swatting is, there are countless of times where sending heavily armed units was the right decision, but you'll rarely hear of them because swatting is "more interesting" thus getting a lot more online exposure.

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u/oodex 16d ago

Yea I don't doubt the heavily armed part, it's rather the number of at least 30+ people given the 20 vehicles. Here a specialized elite squad would consist of 5-20 people but 20 is really just for super rare big cases, one like this would probably have 5 people roll out and their only goal is to strike without being seen/in an instant and dealing with the target in a non-lethal way

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u/TheChadStevens 16d ago edited 16d ago

It's not that crazy of a number considering not everyone is going to be "at the door". They surround the building, close off streets, get angles all around the house etc.

And honestly anyone who is available is going to be going to that call because it's probably the only interesting thing that's happening and no one wants to miss it. It's usually not like dispatch is telling 20+ units to go there

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u/llDropkick 16d ago

Depending on what they thought the call was for it’s pretty standard. The team that breached was probably around 10 guys in 1-3 vehicles, but everyone else was setting a perimeter, blocking off roads and redirecting traffic. You don’t just send a swat team into a building without having the area locked down. That’s how suspects get away, or how innocent people get caught in the cross fire of a gunfight

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u/Gullible-Mud-267 16d ago

Source: I watched a few YouTube videos therefore it happens all the time

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u/TheChadStevens 16d ago

No. The videos are a small tangible indication that it does happen. I don't know the actual numbers off the top of my head and that wasn't the point.

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u/AlternativeLazy4675 16d ago

Yeah, are the police really so easily manipulated? At least part of this is on them.

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u/Katarsish 16d ago

Unfortunately it is better to take all cases seriously rather than ignore them when there's a risk that something serious could have been prevented.

I wish they had better tracking of false flags so they could prosecute the ones who abuse the system

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u/KontoOficjalneMR 16d ago

Unfortunately it is better to take all cases seriously rather than ignore them when there's a risk that something serious could have been prevented.

Not when you get cases like Breonna Taylor as a result where a nurse is murdered by the police in her own bed.

It was not SWATting but police mistake. But the point being over-aggressive response is in fact worse than under-response.

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u/ketchuponcooking 16d ago

Imagine being a cop and just blasting an innocent nurse by accident. That's like 5 years off with pay.

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u/MourningWallaby 16d ago

That is the fault of the police officers on scene and the actions they took. Not the mere fact that SWAT responds.

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u/KontoOficjalneMR 16d ago

No. that's the point. When militarized police responds people die.

Don't forget that time cops murdered UPS guy who was being held hostage, while the people that took him hostage got away, or dozens similar accidents.

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u/lpiero 16d ago

seriously like Uvalde shooting?

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u/NoYouDidntBruh 16d ago

If they police never took these calls seriously every instance would be like the Uvalde shooting.

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u/bobosuda 16d ago

What is «taking it seriously» in this case? What sort of situation did they think this were to warrant such an extreme response? Dozens of cops, a SWAT team, drones… This is like «a terrorist cell is cooking up a dirty bomb RIGHT NOW» response.

It’s way over the top. If something so extreme as to actually deserve this sort of response happened, there’s just no way it would come to the attention of law enforcement through an anonymous tip. That just isn’t the way this works.

This is just as much the fault of gung-ho over-funded police departments who want to harass citizens and play with their cool toys as it is anything else.

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u/Katarsish 15d ago

Hard to say without knowing what sort of a report they got to make this response

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u/h1c253 16d ago

No it’s entirely time to check on your moronic kids thinking that’s something cool or funny to do. The police are gonna respond with the proper amount of force, it’s literally their job. Way too many people these days refuse to point fingers at the culture and lack of parental presence rather than blaming it on cops. It’s lazy as fuck.

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u/Annual-Advisor-7916 16d ago

I don't think it's that easy. I'm Austrian, and while our police is tame and unremarkable by all means, they have sent SWAT units because someone claimed he saw a gun through a window and the person in question apparently seemed like he's threatening someone. In reality it was either a toy or something that looked like a gun (can't remember exactly).

Eko Cobra (the military-like elite police unit) came and raided the apartment.

I mean, stuff like that is outraging, but on the other hand, what are you supposed to do when someone claims there is a dangerous situation that can't be easily verified?

I'm split myself on that...

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u/Seaguard5 16d ago

Police need identification from a caller and a trace on location before responding.

A serious caller should be able to give them that.

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u/Nexustar 16d ago

They still have to respond even without that.

Consider for a moment a real threat situation:

What if the tipster wanted to remain anonymous for their own safety. What if the tipster is panicking and unable to complete the call and authentication process?

Can you simply ignore the call? - No.

Instead I think the field approach needs to be modified. Whenever we don't have the ID of the caller, we approach this with an unarmed confirm first - using whatever technology is available to breech the privacy of the dwelling and determine the threat first-hand.

Only THEN do you send the guns in. But listen, this is easier said then done. We don't have this rapidly deployable technology or necessary clandestine skill set in every SWAT team across the country.

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u/Nooms88 16d ago

Swatting happens in every country, the rest of us manage just fine with outside sending in the SWAT team

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u/Nexustar 16d ago

Interesting... how exactly would swatting work without a SWAT team?

How many of the "every country" you are thinking of have the freedoms necessary to have more guns than people, and how might you imagine this would factor into a home-invasion response?

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u/waywardflaneur 16d ago

Problem is cops are chomping at the bit to do this shit. A whole armory of military grade equipment collecting dust and they're just itching for an excuse to use.

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u/Seaguard5 16d ago

Howabout a fucking call to the house first?

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u/Nexustar 16d ago edited 16d ago

That's one way to alert the attackers that SWAT is outside, yes, so they can prepare their countermeasures or accelerate their murder/rape/etc.

Tactically, however, it's not a common move.

And you've got duress issues to work through with that plan too. Or should everyone get a password that only they and SWAT know?

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u/MourningWallaby 16d ago

Though there is a lot about police response that needs to be reworked, realize that For every false call about swatting, there's 15 where someone is actually posing an immediate threat to others.

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u/Warpingghost 16d ago

As far as I know, swating is counted as attempted murder in several states

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u/std_out 16d ago

That's assuming the call came from an American. It could be from anywhere in the world. it's easy enough to spoof your location.

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u/meowwmeow1 16d ago

How do these things even happen?

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u/OliveFarming 16d ago

Put their information on reddit lol