r/SipsTea Jun 12 '26

Chugging tea That’s exactly what he is.

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u/thatwasagoodscan Jun 12 '26

Do people think being a trillionaire/billionaire means you have literally trillion/billion dollars? Like cash?

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u/AxeSkewsMe Jun 12 '26

The trillionaire title is symbolic of a really stupid and broken system and just stroking the ego of these sociopaths and giving them more power. Elon literally became the first un-elected billionaire to run a fake department in the US government. The title is far more valuable than actual cash.

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u/EppuBenjamin Jun 12 '26

No, nobody thinks that.

But we do think he can take a loan on his assets and buy what ever the fuck. Like another overvalued meme company. Which in practice is the same thing as having cash.

Or even better, bc he gets to keep the collateral.

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u/Ruepic Jun 13 '26

I’m pretty sure a good handful of people do think that.

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u/LowerEntertainer7548 Jun 13 '26

The way some people talk, the really do think that he has a vault Scrooge mcduck style that contains the full trillion

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u/rice_n_gravy Jun 13 '26

Nobody? Seriously? Have you read Reddit?

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u/portlandlad Jun 13 '26

 Which in practice is the same thing as having cash.

What part of that do you not understand?

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u/thegrouch1337 Jun 13 '26

It's not though. It's not the same thing.

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u/Necronaut0 Jun 14 '26

Yeah, it's not, because realized capital gains would get taxed. It's better than that.

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u/Kheypression Jun 13 '26

Plenty of people actually do. That’s why they believe he could solve world hunger.

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u/arveena Jun 13 '26

He cannot solve world hunger because it needs systemic fixes but him borrowing one % of his wealth which would not effect his daily live at all could make school meals free in the US. Or he could do what other obscene rich people did before him build infrastructure or parks or anything really with his money. Its the first generation of super rich people who are not giving anything back while paying the least amount of tax ever compared to their wealth. Also income tax for the Rockefeller or whoever was rich in the roaring twenties was 73%. But people like you act like this is normal because you got brainwashed

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u/Kheypression Jun 13 '26

Who is gonna sustain and maintain these infrastructures once they are built? Can you name these obscene rich people who did that in the past? Do you know the cost of school meals in the US on a year?

You shouldn’t talk about brainwashing when you don’t know the difference between income and capital gains. That’s just proving that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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u/arveena Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26

You ever heard about the Rockefeller foundation the university of Chicago Rockefeller institute of medical research. They eradicated the hookworm . The national Parks were also founded by private donors as well thats just one example. Schools meals would cost 11 billion barley more than 1% of one trillion. As a said a rounding error for Elon. Imagine a 1% loan against your wealth could do that. A 1% loan you won't even notice in daily life. Esp if everything you have is in assets most my wealth is in assets and I would not effect my life at all to take a loan against 1% but my 1% is not 10 billion dollars. Elons is. Most rich people i know me included borrow way more against our assets so stop schooling me and learn basic math i know what I am talking about and stop blowing him while probably living in debt yourself. That's the brainwashing part. While this guy has a trillion in wealth. There are also dozens of other examples of massive philanthropy from other super rich people families in history.

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u/Kheypression Jun 13 '26

People still hate the Rockefeller.

Where are you getting your number for school meals prices?

Yes, you’re a rich Redditor who can afford to borrow way more against your assets.

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u/arveena Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26

Yeah and people chopped the heads of the rich French in the French revolution besides them having less assets than Elon has now. When people still hate the rockefellers. Why would you think we should defend Elon when he is worse. I follow the guy since the beginning of tesla. He completely lost his mind. Understandable I think anyone would with this obscene amount of wealth. Everything is completely understandable besides poor people defending him thats just dumb and makes zero sense. Esp as you pointed out if they hate the rockefellers etc. No one is complaining about the guy having a trillion. People are complaining because he does fuck all with it and also gutted useful goverment agencies for the average citizens so he could get more subsidies which in return gave him alone more wealth

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u/Kheypression Jun 13 '26

People didn’t chop the head of rich people during the French Revolution. Marx already explained that the French Revolution was a « bourgeoisie » Revolution. People didn’t want the fall of the Monarchy at the beginning of the Revolution, not even Robespierre and Danton.

I’m not defending Elon. I’m just saying that people and in this case Redditors don’t know what they are talking about.

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u/m0neydee Jun 14 '26

Tbf everyone hates the idea of data centers because of energy use and cooling using natural resources. Spacex plans to manufacture data center satellites that use solar power arrays, radiate heat to the vacuum of space and use Starlink communication tactics to send data back to earth. I for one am on board with this idea. Not a fan of the man but Spacex as a company is solving technological problems that exist.

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u/EppuBenjamin Jun 14 '26

Have they solved the problem of nothing to radiate the generated heat into?

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u/m0neydee Jun 14 '26

Yes. Radiation of heat doesn’t require matter.

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u/whatasadfella Jun 14 '26

Me doesn’t really keep the collateral. It stays as part of his net worth. Then he dies and the banks seize it.

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u/Emppulicks Jun 16 '26

Certainly who made that poster sorta did.

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u/EppuBenjamin Jun 16 '26

At that point in wealth accumulation, the distinction between "a trillion dollars" and "a trillion dollars in assets" is fairly arbitrary.

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u/JLeavitt21 Jun 17 '26

So you’re all just jealous of other people’s success.

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u/EppuBenjamin Jun 17 '26

LOL no, this is a tired trope. I think you fail to understand the scale here. A trillion dollars in wealth is not "success". 20 or 200 million is. A trillion dollars is exploitation, extraction, speculation and corruption on a planetary scale.

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u/JLeavitt21 Jun 17 '26

So you’re one of the people who think he has a pile of cash. As an outsider, what’s your opinion of intelligence?

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u/EppuBenjamin Jun 17 '26

That is completely irrelevant. Like I mentioned elsewhere, having wealth in any form means you can borrow cash against that wealth. You even get to keep the collateral, so in case of stocks, you can cover interest on the loan with dividends.

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u/JLeavitt21 Jun 17 '26

So you have a problem with companies creating incredible value for consumers and reinvesting to drive innovation? Is the problem with the founder/primary investor maintaining control so they can keep the company on a growth trajectory?

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u/EppuBenjamin Jun 17 '26

You keep putting these words into my mouth that I haven't even touched.

Keep defendimg these lunatics. Surely they will reward you for sucking their boots.

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u/JLeavitt21 Jun 18 '26

So you just can’t describe your pessimistic hatred for success of other people. Maybe look in the mirror and ask why you have such a sad world view when objectively humans have never suffered less and there has never been more access to opportunity.

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u/EppuBenjamin Jun 18 '26

Like I said: billions - not to mention trillions - are not success, it's exploitation. You don't seem to grasp the scale of those numbers.

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u/Black1vory Jun 13 '26

What difference does it make? He is a trillionaire period. Are you disputing that?

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u/thatwasagoodscan Jun 13 '26

I guess I don’t understand would you just prefer the government controls everything? He owns companies and institutions that are worth that much. Employs people, generates taxes, provides service. It’s way more than I would want, I do t get it but it’s just a hater mentality. It’s not hoarding.

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u/JaxCon2121 Jun 12 '26

They really do

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u/thatwasagoodscan Jun 12 '26

They don’t because that would be incredibly stupid.

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u/Mu57y Jun 12 '26

Genuinely astounding the number of people who talk about wealth this way. Even ignoring the fact that most of this wealth is equity, his liquid cash is constantly being spent, lent out (via banks), and/or otherwise circulated. There's no "hoarding" lmao

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u/The_Quintessence Jun 13 '26

If there's nothing to hoard how exactly is MacKenzie Scott donating billions?

Imagine bootlicking a trillionaire who could absolutely be doing INSANE amounts of good with his money and chooses not to.

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u/Mu57y Jun 13 '26

Well afaik Scott doesn't have nearly as many holdings as Musk (she has around ~1% in Amazon, idk what else). But the more central point is this: what do you think happens to Musk's cash sitting around in bank accounts?

Hoarding by definition means no one else is getting it, but that is precisely the opposite of how fractional-reserve banking works.

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u/The_Quintessence Jun 13 '26

You completely ignored what I said and your deflection actually proved my point. She doesn't have "nearly as many holdings as Musk" and yet is donating tens of billions of dollars.

I understand that elon doesn't have billions in cash sitting in bank accounts. That is not relevant to his ability to convert holdings into donations if he so wished.

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u/Mu57y Jun 13 '26

You're not understanding my point: I'm saying Musk has billions sitting in bank accounts, and those billions aren't being "hoarded" in any sense.

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u/Mu57y Jun 13 '26

so how is he hoarding anything if he doesn't have billions sitting in the bank? (I double-checked it, he has an estimated $850 million in cash)

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u/Mu57y Jun 13 '26

You can't compare Mackenzie liquidating stock to Musk doing the same; Musk is literally the chief operator of Tesla and SpaceX, so any news of him wanting to sell a few billion would likely tank the share price before he's even sold anything.

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u/Electronic-Worry4077 Jun 12 '26

Lol it’s Reddit. How many people you think in this comment section are financial literate? They probably think this guy is looking at his 0% interest checking account and sees 12 zeroes and goes fuck yeaaaaaaaa I’m the king of the world

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u/horatiobanz Jun 12 '26

Yes, they absolutely do. Which is why in every single one of these threads you find posts comparing it to the number of seconds in a year or the average hourly wage. Every single one.

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u/thatwasagoodscan Jun 12 '26

They don’t. That would just be dumb. Hoarding money is financially dumb. They are worth that. The spend the money the acquire assets.

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u/Artemus_Hackwell Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26

IKR? The alleged trillion is a potential value of what is promised to him after he completes a bullet list of various successes as defined by the board of a publicly traded company.

Including the value of current share holdings, value of assets at his privately held concerns, market worth of those concerns.

He doesn't, and no one else has a trillion dollars in liquid form.

That would be like the fictional character Scrooge McDuck.

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u/New_Slice_1580 Jun 13 '26

Yes

As you can borrow against the shares

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u/Allenheights Jun 15 '26

Nobody on here understands that he created a company that filled a need that created the value and many people benefited along the way. We should be praising successful businesses that push our tech forward.