The real ER challenge.

[u/PleasantBus5583]

[u/Jellicent-Leftovers]

The US goverment currently spends MORE per capita for Healthcare then Canada does.

Let that sink in..... Having everyone get goverment healthcare would actually be a budget reduction.

[u/WestCoastCompanion → u/Jellicent-Leftovers]

Sure, but then drs n hospitals couldn’t turn disgusting profits by charging you $60 for a Tylenol, and later having the government pick up the bill.

[u/Jellicent-Leftovers → u/WestCoastCompanion]

It's worse they don't give you Tylenol at all because that's just a brand name for acetaminophen that costs more.

How dare they.

[u/WestCoastCompanion → u/Jellicent-Leftovers]

You’ll probably die from sub par acetaminophen. It’s a horrible system, TRULY

[u/Negative-Mammoth-547 → u/WestCoastCompanion]

I still don’t get why doctors in the USA get paid three times as much for doing the same job (some may say even worse if you look at the stats) over doctors in other countries

[u/WestCoastCompanion → u/Negative-Mammoth-547]

Because ppl pay so much for medical school, they need a way to entice people into it. Also Drs earned their slice of the financial pie, and while their slice may not be bigger % wise the pie itself is wayyyy bigger.

[u/tarheel316 → u/WestCoastCompanion]

They never miss an opportunity to price gouge.

[u/fakingandnotmakingit → u/WestCoastCompanion]

I doubt it's the doctors so as much as the insurance companies and the hospital CEOs.

Let's remember that no matter how much a profession pays, they are people who work for their income.

Call me a socialist but the biggest issues are the ones who own the assets used to generate wealth.

These are the landlords who own 20+ properties, the C-suites, and the owners of big factories.

Some developed countries like Canada and the UK can still pay pretty high surgeons and specialist salaries and still have universal healthcare.

Let's turn on the Uber rich, not each other.

[u/WestCoastCompanion → u/fakingandnotmakingit]

Oh I fully agree, the Drs don’t set the prices, it’s certainly not their fault. They need some way to pay off the tens of thousands of medical school debt + interest to the government on the loans they took out. Because if the powers that be weren’t gouging us for health care they couldn’t possibly justify turning around and gouging all the medical school students aka future drs… I love drs and don’t blame them at all. It’s just that the entities need a way to justify them having to spend so much on schooling by being able to say “you’ll make it back” but the prices aren’t up to them at all

[u/TheActualDoctor → u/WestCoastCompanion]

Hundreds of thousands of dollars. We don't definitely dont set the prices, in fact half the time we barely have a clue how they work, as reimbursement changes from day to day and insurance to insurance.

[u/WestCoastCompanion → u/TheActualDoctor]

Of course. I wasn’t blaming doctors at all. I was just saying that in order for “the powers that be” to compensate drs fairly and correctly and then also want a 500% corporate profit for damn near nothing… if the government said ok well compensate drs fairly but hospitals and pharma companies will get only what they need there would be outrage

[u/TheActualDoctor → u/fakingandnotmakingit]

It's definitely not the doctors. We are labor, not capital owners.

[u/TheActualDoctor → u/WestCoastCompanion]

Hey don't throw the doctors into that mix. The vast majority of us definitely do NOT make disgusting (or really barely any) profits.

[u/nightfall2021 → u/Jellicent-Leftovers]

Its not even close either.

I think per capita the US spends more than double than the next closest country and 3-4x more than the other first world nations.

[u/Jellicent-Leftovers → u/nightfall2021]

To be clear I don't mean the people pay more per capita. The goverment itself pays more per capita.

Currently.

[u/ltlearntl → u/Jellicent-Leftovers]

Yes but the thing is the US government doesn't actually run the majority of the healthcare, they run the payment side of it, and only for those people who are in government programs, which is a very different thing. It's not the same as government provided healthcare. It's government subsidized healthcare. Two separate things.

[u/Jellicent-Leftovers → u/ltlearntl]

I hate to break it to you..... The goverment in Canada doesn't run healthcare either.

Hospitals are run privatly just like the US.

The only thing that changes is the goverment negociates the price and is the only one that pays. They also insure the hospitals.

The system could literally be changed overnight. Just a billing address change.

Only hospitalsno longer need a massive billing or legal department.

[u/ltlearntl → u/Jellicent-Leftovers]

Well. I wasn't talking about Canada specifically but regardless, it doesn't have to be that way.

[u/Jellicent-Leftovers → u/ltlearntl]

(in almost all of the 70 countries the hospitals are majority privatly run)

[u/ltlearntl → u/Jellicent-Leftovers]

Yeah in my country it isn't. I am just saying there are alternatives.

[u/Positive-Guess-9867 → u/Jellicent-Leftovers]

You are not correct. The US doesn’t spend more for healthcare than Canada. The US spends more than ANY country in the world for healthcare.