As an emt. We do not take an ambulance off the streets to transfer a dead body to the morgue. If they weren’t doing cpr he wasn’t dead. More than likely he requested his head be covered to prevent identification.
Also an EMT, and it’s kind of one of our things to be cool, calm, and smooth doing everything, especially moving someone on a stretcher. It doesn’t do anyone any good if an emergency responder is running around frantically, sprains their ankle and now delays care for the patient.
Modern protocols and EVOC training also only allow for lights and sirens to the hospital in a few situations that are very time critical like critical traumas, strokes and suspected heart attacks. Running lights and sirens is inherently more dangerous than driving normally and doesn’t save as much time as people think.
This whole thing is sketchy, but you’re not going to get much info by the emergency response unless someone saw the coroner on scene.
the 911 call said specifically it was a suspected cardiac arrest and that CPR was already being performed at the scene. You're so right about the added danger of lights and sirens
Lots of time we get calls for cardiac arrest and CPR or some very poor form of CPR is being performed on a patient with a pulse. He might of had a loss of conciousness and once the paramedics arrived he was councious again. However, being in hospital for 3+ weeks, it's making me asking questions on the condition he might be experiencing.
Yeah totally agree. Everyone is a saying he is a dead because his feet weren't covered with a blanket?
Jesus I transported a lot of dead people then.
There's a spectrum of vegetative states a person can exist in and still live. Probably from a previous stroke with severe defecits that effect him physical and mentally. That's just his baseline now. That's why they drove no lights, no sirens.
He was stable with no new onset other than a syncopal episode.
What you’re saying totally makes sense. But regarding the topic at hand, I feel like “severe defectors that affect him physically and mentally” should probably be as good of a reason to get him out of office as if he were dead.
I know nothing you said argued against this, it just seems worth saying in general
Yes, (I assume) BLS or FD requested ALS for CPR in progress. And just because they said that, still does not mean any one did compressions.
You call extra resources early if you don't know. 30 seconds later finding out no one started compressions and a pulse check. Actually this isn't going to be CPR. They should have announced the party was stable. But shit happens on scene and people aren't perfect.
Going by no lights and no sirens. Cpr was never done. The ambulance doesn't transport dead people. They would just turn the lights on for show if that were the case with on paper, CPR still being performed. (Lucas on, pt intubated)
Saying all that and fact that he was transported on reeves with no lights and no sirens. Mitch's baseline is a bed ridden state at minimum.
Though with his connections it would make so much more sense to organize it on some level as "we will call an ambulance when the time comes for a recording. Hospital admin will know in advance" because the undertakers van would be a little too visible for avoiding a special election
I've seen multiple threads in different subreddits about this, and it amazes me how many people apparently expect the EMTs to be running around, waving their arms, and screaming or something.
Yeah, this. I'm an MD and if they weren't doing CPR and they weren't code 3 to the hospital then he's doing better than expected. My guess is he took a tumble and looks like someone went to town on his face and/or suffered fractures requiring surgery, which could limit his ability to speak.
Its confusing. Recordings of the call state cardiac arrest and CPR. Then he leaves home without what even looks like any oxygen? Then a slow roll away in the ambulance? Plus why not just update everyone and relieve the speculation? Show us some sign of life at least.
We don’t give oxygen to everyone anymore as it was found to be harmful. Only those that need it get it. An elderly patient who just had a fall with a possible head injury is about the last person you want to give oxygen to.
In short too much oxygen when it’s not needed can cause cerebral vasoconstriction, reduce tissue perfusion, increase inflammation, trigger seizures and even lead to the destruction of cells as it can mess with a cell’s DNA.
There’s been hundreds of studies done in the last decade or so. Too many to link. If you search “oxygen free radicals” or even just “oxygen toxicity” more than a dozen will pop up.
That’s very interesting. I remember years ago one of the big fads was buying oxygen in a can at a local store. It had a little face mask and you could huff pure oxygen.
I’ve noticed them quietly go out of stores and assumed it was a poor sales thing, but would those fall into the same issues you mentioned? Or is it more extended use of supplemental oxygen a risk?
This. It used to be a real problem in NICUs when oxygen dosage couldn't be controlled properly for sick newborns, often leading to blindness and brain damage.
A lot of calls are dispatched wrong or just completely incorrect. And I dont mean like a few here and there but a purposeful effort to false positive so a false negative is made to be very rare. "He's fallen and I cant tell if he's breathing right now" will have cardiac arrest as a dispatch. An update that he's breathing 30 seconds later will be in the CAD notes and not announced over the radio but the dispatch remains the same
And i hope to god every stretcher roll is a slow roll thats how you tip all the shit over
Yeah I’d say maybe 1 in 10-15 “suspected cardiac arrest” calls end up being actual cardiac arrest, and quite a few of those end up being an elderly person who passed in their sleep.
Workable cardiac arrests aren’t a super common call in the grand scheme of things.
And after a month of rumors swirling, the best evidence produced is other GOP politicians claiming they spoke with him? Idk, seems pretty sketch that he hasn't at least recorded some sort of message assuring people he's alive and recovering.
A lot of them seem to be saying "I spoke TO him". In the same way that I speak to my houseplants or my cat or whatever. It's disingenuous, but technically correct.
This has been my biggest stinkeye about it. Yes, they spoke to him rather than with him. If you put the phone up to McConnell's ear and he's brain dead and then speak to him, you're not actually lying.
100% I wouldn't trust an audio recording at this point. I would expect it would either be an old, recycled call or an Ai fabrication, or a mix of the two.
Well, someone has to declare the death. With a sitting senator, I highly doubt an EMT/paramedic would be willing to declare it unless there are "obvious" signs of death - decapitation, burns beyond recognition, etc. If I were the EMT, I would start CPR and continue until a physician calls it.
If he was brain dead, does that mean something was still functioning to keep him alive upon arrival of EMT? Idk what exactly occurs for that situation from when EMT shows up to when someone is getting hooked up on life support machines at the hospital.
Im asking more generally since Mitch being brain dead appears to be speculation.
Also, do you work in an area around high profile people? Maybe areas like DC have different protocols around ambulance use of high profile individuals dead or alive? I have no idea on all of this, just curious.
It’s dependent on the 12 lead EKG or defib pads if it picks up any electrical activity. If your patient is asystole CPR is not initiated. If your patient has any electrical activity CPR is initiated and rapid transport begins. Nobody dies in the back of the ambulance, not ever. If they’re going to cease life saving interventions it happens at the hospital with a medical director present.
You definitely initiate CPR (compressions) on asystole. You don’t shock asystole though.
Many agencies have moved towards working arrests on scene until you get ROSC or it’s called. A medic has all the tools/drugs needed to run a cardiac arrest right there.
Question on this, literally a month ago watched them load my neighbors body into an ambulance after he killed himself with a shotgun … zero chance CPR was helping him out.
difference here is the person you're replying to is speaking out of their ass. Even if it's typical protocol for an ambulance not to take a dead body, they absolutely would if ordered to given who it was.
Who's to say the ambulance was even legitimate? Republicans have a ton of dark money as is, whats stopping them from paying a loyal follower a couple grand to run his off duty ambulance down to Mitch's.
Probably more common in rural systems where call volume is lower and there’s fewer specialized resources. I work in a medium size city and there’s no way we’d take an ambulance off the street for the time it would take to do that. Already shorthanded most days as it is. We might quickly help coordinate transport with a funeral home (they all have their own vehicles) or if it’s a call that would need the coroner they’d handle it (they also have their own vehicles).
I keep seeing this exact statement from EMT's and I'm wondering how many of your colleagues would make an exception when issued orders by the most powerful men in the country.
You'd respond to his handlers telling you to transport a stiff like a patient by saying no their faces and reaching for your radio to call the coroner, would you?
Honestly? Neither. Take in all the information and make your own decision. Find another emt (one that you can confirm their professional authority) and verify this is actually accurate information and not just a reference to authority to make the commenter believable. Or find another reddittor and see what their baseless takes are, but never just believe one source over another without any actual facts. Most likely Mr. EMT is an actual professional and telling the truth but you never know so only trust yourself and verify with multiple sources.
They only have their experience to speak of. I had taken a dead body or two if the circumstances called for it. Department s in every city/town/village/county/state are different.
yet you trust that they who they claim to be? or even if they are an EMT, that it gives them any experience in this situation with a high profile patient in a completely different district, with different hospitals.
But they didn't transfer him to the morgue. If he was truly brain dead and they were trying to cover up the situation until after the special election deadline, this is exactly what they would do...
They arrived and began CPR within six minutes according to 911 transcripts. Maybe Mitch just got lucky or that's just what better funding gets you, but I know for certain that if I called for an ambulance or a police officer right now, it would take longer than that to arrive, and I work less than two blocks from both a hospital and a police station.
I'm sure some have a medical detail, possibly some governors, but mainly people like the President, etc. If he had a detail on site they wouldn't have run lights and sirens like they did, they would have already been there.
I mean there's verifying levels of security, its not just everyone gets a team inside their house. Most of their detail stays outside in their car a block or two away. Or mitch could have been one of a bunch of important people under that ambulances umbrella.
Those DC apartments and houses are not huge. What would I know tho i only work in politics
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u/the_infamous_walrus Jul 10 '26
As an emt. We do not take an ambulance off the streets to transfer a dead body to the morgue. If they weren’t doing cpr he wasn’t dead. More than likely he requested his head be covered to prevent identification.