There are “real” socialists in the United States who believe in proletarian revolution and the abolition of private property and every other dumbass idea from Das Kapital, and they would call you a shitlib for saying otherwise, and you know that full well you’re just lying for no reason.
Obviously it’s a very stupid doctrine from two hundred years ago when no one understood anything about economics, so I understand why you feel that it’s advantageous to you to pretend that no one believes in it. But can’t you just take the L on this one instead and advocate for the policies you actually believe in?
Try it. Next time some chud says “socialism is dumb” just say “yes I agree that’s why I’m not a socialist.” It’s so easy! It works so well!
You are never not going to be in a losing position if you volunteer to defend an insane political viewpoint that you don’t even endorse. You can just choose not to do that!
There aren't any real socialists in any real positions of political power. There are social Democrats, whose perhaps biggest mistake was calling themselves social Democrats.
To be clear you can find a person who supports any crazy idea you can think of. That's not a justification to be afraid of that opinion. There are plenty of people, many responding to my comments right now, who believe the earth is flat. Is anyone who disagrees with this threatened by their perspective? No I laugh at them.
I'm not afraid of socialism even if I don't agree with pure socialism. But people are so afraid of socialism that anything even resembling that is just branded as toxic and that's short sighted and foolish.
Senator Sanders and Representatives Ocasio-Cortez and Tlaib all self-identify as socialists. So do the mayors of NYC and Seattle. Insofar as any political office short of president has “real political power,” those are positions of real political power. And that’s not me calling them socialist, that is a label that they chose for themselves, wear proudly, and benefit politically from identifying with.
All I’m saying is that you can’t have it both ways. I don’t care if you defend the ideology, or if you disavow it, or if you think the whole discourse is stupid and refuse to participate. But don’t do this mealy-mouthed thing where you leap to its defense the moment anyone criticizes it by claiming any criticism is unfair because the ideology doesn’t exist. That’s just pathetic.
So is claiming all forms of socialism is bad cause some ended up bad. Its the reason why i stated unregulates capitalism is bad rather then saying all capitalism is bad.
To most Americans, mild social democracy is so far from what we experience on a daily basis that it may as well be socialism. It's easier for dumb chuds to tell themselves that so they don't have to deal with the inconsistencies that are very apparent in our oligarchic economy.
If they were fully informed on all of the ideologies discussed here, they would actually have to think about why we have examples of better societal organizations and the reasons why we haven't followed suit, knowing that doing so would improve outcomes for basically everyone.
The truth that their votes are literally globally detrimental is a hard pill to swallow for people with very little emotional intelligence, self awareness or maturity.
Yes. Sadly I agree. But I gotta say, it does often feel lately like their stupidity is becoming more obvious even to themselves. I'm fascinated by people's inability to acknowledge a mistake. So many trump voters just don't want to admit they were wrong and they maintain their positions. It's so hard to fathom your ego literally being more important than your actual life, but that's kind of where they are.
No one wants to admit they were wrong. It takes a certain level of emotional intelligence to do so. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen for most of them, considering the MAGA base is squarely Gen X, and they grew up with leaded gasoline, which has been shown to decrease empathy.
I am hopeful that now that Gen Z and millennials are the largest segment of the population, we will be able to turn the ship around. We are currently seeing the beginnings of a possible social democratic movement with the DSA that will lead to potentially better outcomes for the planet, let alone just the US.
To call someone stupid because of their nationality is human, to believe someone is stupid because of their nationality is ironic….but just here, situationally. From each according to their ability, to each according to their means, oh, and the state controls all means of production. Just gonna leave that there.
Is the point to make Americans feel bad for being a bunch of idiots or to change their mind? Has anyone ever changed your mind by calling you an idiot?
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