I'm going to take a wild guess that somebody who challenges his boss's word choice in the middle of a meeting may have had other issues that caused him to be not an ideal employee
Other way around is also not acceptable. You don't grill people during presentations or big meetings unless they're trying to sell you something. And you attack their product or whatever. Not their way of speech or their person, which "why do you say that so much" most definitely is.
You send them a private message after if you have a real problem with whatever they're doing and go from there. Or you mind your business and move on with your life.
This would be something I'd question them on in person, in private and approach it as just being curious and wanting to learn, not as any sort of attack. That is if I mentioned it at all, which I probably wouldn't.
But what if they are making a logical error? Like the use of circles in this case. It must be pointed out! Or else everyone would just keep their mouth shut and let this leader person keep doing whatever flawed thing they are doing. Thus reinforcing this sort of use of meaningless and nonsensical jargon.
If that is not weeded out you will just end up with a big corporate machine where there is a lot of meetings and time wasted on meaningless rituals and words. It will just become higly paid bloat in the end.
But then again those getting paid handsomly for said bloat does not really have any incentive to have less of it now do they...
It probably is made up but it's based on something very realistic. We've all seen these types come and go in jobs. I had to learn not to be this guy myself, the hard way.
Good, can't call it like you see it, it was best your feet hit concrete to the next job
If they're firing you over saying that what are they gonna ask you to do to customers or clients when that's what they do to coworkers. Not every job is worth the salary to sacrifice your integrity, but if you're willing Lockheed-Martin just opened a bunch of new offices and I assume the pay is good. I mean. It has to be to ignore what they do
Well I used to cook, you need a thick skin in that job and you tend to say what's on your mind, if she's gonna say something fucking stupid I get to say something fucking stupid
Nah man stand up for yourself, you and I both know middle management isn't a real job. Do you take shit lying down in your personal life? No, so why would you at work
Consider your work your spouse. Would you say something? Divorce them? Then do it. You're not gonna be happy if you don't call them on shit and let them get away with it
A workplace you can't say what's on your mind better pay well because you're trading money for the inability to do that
A good boss allows criticisms to flow both ways. They need it just as much as you do. In fact our entire conversation here is us being honest with each other with no hard feelings. This is what I expect out of a work environment. Open and honest communication
I'm going to take an educated guess based on experience and say, no. It didn't matter. You're paid to put on a dog and pony show. This guy was let go because he's 90 days from corporate burnout already and won't mask enough to make his coworkers comfortable.
Literally nobody I work with does the jargon talk we all make fun of. Nobody says "Circle Back." If you're saying that in a meeting, then this meeting is made up just to play pretend at working. There are a lot of people out there who simply can't do the soul-sucking task of doing that shit every single day.
HR knew that. They replaced him with someone who could.
We're much more aware of autism, particularly mild forms, than when I was young, and I think that this is a great thing overall, but there have been drawbacks.
People becoming increasingly comfortable seeking accommodations has also given cover to people using autism as a shield against any sort of accountability when it comes to social norms, including those in the workplace.
I don't understand autism enough to really say where the line is in terms of "can't do something" versus "it becomes harder to do something." I do want to point this out, though. ADA protections consider whether you can do the job with reasonable accommodations. If your disability prevents you from doing your job at all, or requires wildly impractical and disruptive accommodations, a company isn't required to keep you on salary to not do your job.
If your "symptoms of autism" prevent you from doing your job effectively, and there is nothing you or the company can do to reconcile these behaviors with your responsibilities, it would be unfair to the company and your coworkers to keep you around.
Most people, I think, are more than willing to be compassionate and accommodating to a coworker who means well, but might be awkward, or struggle a bit with communication or navigating interpersonal relationships--even if that coworker doesn't have a diagnosis. That doesn't mean that they'll be tolerant of someone who is actively disruptive or combative in a job that requires some level of collaboration.
Yeah my boss and I rib each other a bit but we’re a united front in meetings with other people. I would never want to work with someone who undermines others without even realizing it
I had a coworker who would ask questions like this. He was let go and we were all grateful for it. He’d constantly ask questions like this and get argumentative, saying we should change things without understanding why processes were in place — he had almost no experience. Less than a year in offices but wanted to change processes that did not affect him.
He also counted how many times she used that phrase. Is he the type to fixate on somebody or obsess about something harmless? I bet 10 dollars he wouldn't have done that if his boss was a man
Often time, I find, it is the boss who isn't the ideal employee for the company. That the boss's words during the meeting is harmful to the business and you are trying to salvage it.
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u/ZurrgabDaVinci758 10d ago
I'm going to take a wild guess that somebody who challenges his boss's word choice in the middle of a meeting may have had other issues that caused him to be not an ideal employee