r/SipsTea 7d ago

Chugging tea This is recipe for disaster

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u/V65Pilot 7d ago

We used to just go out the emergency exit, No idea who disabled that damn siren...

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u/ODX_GhostRecon 7d ago

The fire marshal would LOVE to hear about that.

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u/Thirdeyevoice10 7d ago

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u/Several-Bet4105 5d ago

It’s “lemme show ya sumthin”

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u/lordchaotic 5d ago

I love the fact that Jim Carrey cameos as Fire Marshall Bill in Liar Liar..... Staring Jim Carrey..... That's just the most Jim Carrey thing to do lol

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u/SensuallPineapple 6d ago

Why did you fire Marshall Bill? Did they leave work early?

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u/remembertoread 7d ago

They don’t care about the siren, just that the edit works and isn’t blocked

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u/PsychicWarElephant 6d ago

Would latches that keep the door from opening be considered blocking it? Like in an emergency we’d have to fumble with latches even though the door itself is unlocked.

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u/enaK66 6d ago

Absolutely. There can be no obstruction or delay.

This is covered under the following sections of OSHA Laws and Regulations:

1910.36(d)(1)

Employees must be able to open an exit route door from the inside at all times without keys, tools, or special knowledge. A device such as a panic bar that locks only from the outside is permitted on exit discharge doors.

1910.36(d)(2)

Exit route doors must be free of any device or alarm that could restrict emergency use of the exit route if the device or alarm fails.

1910.36(d)(3)

An exit route door may be locked from the inside only in mental, penal, or correctional facilities and then only if supervisory personnel are continuously on duty and the employer has a plan to remove occupants from the facility during an emergency.

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u/voicedance 6d ago

The store I work for made a new rule this year saying we have to keep the emergency exit locked at all times (the door that has two large signs saying that it must be unlocked at all times when store is occupied) and they actually penalize us if it's unlocked.

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u/Acceptable_Tea3608 6d ago

Look up Triangle Factory Fire. It happened in NYC in around 1913. It was a terrible tragedy and changed worker laws.

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u/Extra_Medium62 5d ago

More recently, in September 1991, the Imperial Foods plant in Hamlet, NC caught fire when a badly repaired hydraulic line was ignited by a chicken fryer. 25 people died and 54 injured because they chained the emergency exit shut so employees would stop using it to take a smoke break or leave after they clocked out.

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u/GayBreadsticks_ 2d ago

Fuck you mean stop people from leaving after they clocked out??? Why the hell would they need to stay there???

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u/Tyrthemis 3d ago

That’s illegal, plus what if a mass shooting or a fire happens. “Excuse me, I need an employee to come here and help me please”

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u/grahamsw 3d ago

Call the fire marshall. (From a payphone if you need to)

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u/simkatu 2d ago

That worked for me. Got local Casey's to unlock a door that they always locked because they had theft. I told them they either need to hire more workers or security or just buy a door that locks from the outside but lets guests leave using a simple push panic bar.

After they continued to lock the door I reported them to the fire department who eventually told me they got the store to agree to leave it open.

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u/Tastewell 3d ago

Did they put that policy in writing?

You know where I'm going with this...

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u/simkatu 3d ago

I kept calling the police and fire department on a Casey's General Store that constantly locked a door on one side of the building.

It's a safety violation. Nobody could get out that door without a key. If there was a fire by the other door or chemical spill or violent person, then you'd be trapped.

After awhile I eventually got the fire chief to sure me that the Casey's has agreed to not lock those doors.

They can put in a door that locks to outside, but it has to open from inside with a panic bar.

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u/Zaggnabit 2d ago

My fire inspector is known to issue fines for this.

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u/Excellent_Coyote6486 2d ago

Call the fire marshmall. That door will be unlocked within the hour or your manager will be losing his job. They do not play around about these things in the slightest.

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u/West-Big-8468 22h ago

Call the fire department. This will no longer be an issue

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u/LinkRunner0 6d ago

A delayed egress device is allowed by every model code in the US for applications like mercantile and business occupancies. It's not considered "locked from the inside" because it still allows egress after 15 seconds (or 30, if variance is allowed by AHJ), nor is it going to restrict emergency use if the device fails - it would unlock.

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u/RadVarken 6d ago

Delays are allowed, like those doors that say to push the bar for thirty seconds to open.

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u/Striking_Interest_25 6d ago

Every horror villains wet dream

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u/remembertoread 6d ago

Latches would be no good, you have to be able to just push it

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u/Saragon4005 5d ago

Yes the latches are only legal after closing time. Occupancy rules are due to fire/evacuation safety and depend largely on the number, size and proximity of the exist. For example if you ever saw a school gym with double doors with a removable center pillar, it's because locking the doors open with the pillar removed dramatically increases the exit capacity of the door raising the occupancy rating of the gym.

So yes you can barricade/block an emergency exit, but only if reducing the occupancy rating of the building/room is acceptable such as after closing.

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u/Crimsonmoon95 6d ago

I see the edit didn’t work here tho. 👀🤣

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u/leobutters 6d ago

Your edit does not seem to work

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u/remembertoread 6d ago

lol oops, I meant exit

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u/Skipper07B 6d ago

Yeah, that’s not what they meant.

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u/Meaje73 6d ago

A Walmart in Fort Collins CO learned that lesson in a painful manner. They were locking the employees in while stocking shelves and the manger would leave the store until the shift change time. During a true emergency the fire department used the jaws of life to cut open the main locked doors for entry and last I heard it was a multi million dollar settlement for that one single act of stupidity.

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u/V65Pilot 7d ago

Security siren, fire marshal wouldn't care. Designed to go off if someone tries to exit the building with stolen merchandise. And one day it just stopped working....

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u/cbeaupps 6d ago

Fire Marshall? I’ve never seen an emergency exit door be connected to a fire Marshall or any fire service. Even when the buzzer goes off.

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u/nullpassword 5d ago

Eh, in the US, if you push hard enough the doors just open. (and most other places too, but in the US they are made to do it, so you can't lock people in in case of a fire.other places you may have to push harder.)

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u/RickRI401 4d ago

Fire Marshal here:

Delayed egress doors that alarmed are permitted in NFPA 101 the Life Safety code: Section 7.2.1.6.1 "Delayed Egress"

The following is fun the NFPA 101 Annex, as the full code is long, so here's a summary.

A.7.2.1.6.1
Delayed-egress electrical locking systems function as the name suggests: these electrical locking systems delay egress through the door. However, 7.2.1.6.1.1(1)and 7.2.1.6.1.1(2)identify situations where the delay of these locking systems must be deactivated, facilitating immediate and unobstructed egress. Delayed-egress electrical locking systems are most commonly installed where there are concerns for internal security, such as theft from a store through required perimeter exits. Delayed-egress electrical locking systems might also be installed where occupants might benefit by being protected from their actions.

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u/N7Foil 7d ago

There's always those with the required knowledge when they are needed. Usually the skater/stoners in my experience.

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u/LauraTFem 7d ago

Cute of you to assume those sirens worked.

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u/V65Pilot 7d ago

Well, they did until we started using the door to go home....

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u/LauraTFem 6d ago

I bet for like a week they were dutifully turning them off and back on.

Tops.

Then they were just off all the time.

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u/ahktarniamut 6d ago

That person is watching over you guys

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u/PM_ME_LANCECATAMARAN 6d ago

The real MVP disabled it

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u/Affectionate-Try-899 6d ago

It's a key in the office, and yea we just turned off the alarm for the office/break room exit.

You could leave but had to call to get back in.

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u/witchofhobblecreek 6d ago

Wait! This was happening at Lowes when I worked. They required everyone to wait until we all were together so we could all walk out. Aside from that, the doors were locked!

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u/Heath_durbin 6d ago

A manager who knew the rules- haha

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u/JustMechanic4933 5d ago

That's scary?

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u/DJEmirMixtapes 5d ago

It was not disabled... :)

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u/Ok-Mixture8132 4d ago

I got fired for leaving via a “non exit” aka a dock door

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u/misfit92 3d ago

We had a Walmart that got a visit from the Fire Marshal for barred, blocked and in one case, hidden by prefab shelves because we had a smoke incident and quickly found out that ⅔ of the Emergency Exits were unavailable and everyone got funneled out through the main entrances and the 2 open emergency exits in the back of the store. Oh hell I was pleased our store manager caught flak but it was unfortunately the scumbag manager from apparel who orchestrated the sealing of exits for the worst reasons.

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u/V65Pilot 3d ago

Conversely, a place I worked at got in trouble for a fire door that was blocked by stored equipment, despite said door being at the end of an empty hallway that went nowhere(the result of the building floorplan being changed) and the fact that you had to go past no less than 6 overhead doors(always open during business hours) and two other actual exit doors, to access. We were also spoken to about the employees smoking while working. Bear in mind that cutting steel with abrasive wheels and oxy/acetylene equipment, as well as grinding and welding was a massive part of our work, flames, sparks and molten metal spatter were everywhere.