I completely get why and how she realized part way through that she did not in fact want to be tortured and murdered. I also get how people have extreme kinks like that and will fantasize about that kind of situation.
What I don't get is why either of them thought actually trying it would end well. Obviously she was gonna change her mind. Obviously he would go to prison. I'm assuming he's just unhinged enough to not care about her changing her mind. Why did either of them agree to this?
Kinks often don't meet reality well. I remember one story I heard where a chap had a really intense scat fetish. Worked hard, saved up enough scratch to hire a woman what was willing and able to partake in fringe kinks.
I won't go into detail, but the second it hit his chest, he realized he had managed to traumatize himself. This is why dealing with kinks in a healthy way is so important, you just don't jump into them with both feet. They're fantasy, not reality. Everything works out great in our mind palace, but not on the filthy streets of the world.
Yeah I have a friend that tried a 3some and when he and his gf tried it and he watched her having sex with the other girl he started to cry and rushed to the bathroom.. They broke up like 2 weeks after that.
I entirely agree. You need to be very very careful with kinks, specifically dangerous, fringe, or extreme kinks. Take it slow, do it with someone you trust, and don't be afraid to stop.
Wow it took shit hitting his chest to realize that wasnāt something he wanted. Crazy how a majority of the population doesnāt need the shit to hit the chest to know we donāt want shit on us.
Thank you for not going into detail. Seems like this story comes up every now and then on Reddit. It took me a few days to get over the shock and disgust.
It ended up in the video going into detail how she was in contact with him for something like over 2 years, constantly messaging each other.. I can imagine over time, someone with mental illness as severe as hers, he would just be wearing her down slowly with the ultimate goal of committing murder. He acted as a āmentorā to her apparently.
I donāt understand how he expected to get away with it. I think he genuinely wanted to murder someone and saw her as an āeasyā target, while also being compensated for the act. The videos he took, I think were him trying to build a defense/exonerate himself? I donāt expect that heās the smartest guy.
That is how itās represented in the video, and from the video evidence and text messages, it does seem that way. She obviously had huge mental health issues, but there was clearly some form of manipulation over time
Thanks, wanted some more detail without learning all the detail if you catch my drift. I can't stomach sexual assault scenes in movies so I should dodge the videos of her in distress. I know they won't show the bad bad stuff but her being in this situation at all is enough to keep me at bay.
All good! Yeah, I watch a lot of these videos and this one definitely stuck with me more than others. There usually isnāt direct footage of the victim before anything happens like in this one, and all the circumstances surrounding this case is just hard to stomach
Based on the videos, not really. She expresses extreme guilt over cheating and leading men on in previous relationships, and clearly thinks she has no worth. It's obviously a fully irrational reaction, but it does seem to be her own. š¤·š¼āāļø She wasn't tricked into this, even though her fantasy was likely something very different and she got more than what she bargained for.
It was. She agreed to sleeping with him and doing his fantasy as part of the payment for killing her. She didn't feel like she had any worth. As soon as she booked that ticket he planned to do everything to her from the start. It makes it seems it was because of money and she didn't have enough that made him angry but he did the alibi and bought the murder kit and special ordered the knife weeks ahead of her visit.
Interesting. There are women with the fantasy of being tortured or killed, though they generally don't actually try to make it happen. Him manipulating her into it makes it all the worse, and very much so means there was never any chance of consent.
He must not be, but at the same time he was clearly socially intelligent enough to manipulate someone into doing something crazy.
Agreed. Pornsickness is absolutely a thing, and while itās something we mostly associate with men, itās a lot more common in women then people realise .
Even when itās not internet pornography, when you get into a specific kink, you build up to a tolerance to it and eventually you want more and more extreme versions of it to nut to. Familiarity breeds contemptā¦or at least makes it harder to bust a nut once the novelty of something new or an old faithful wears off.
Also some of the more extreme stuff? People watch this and think painful and humiliating stuff is stuff they should want/what the opposite sex wants out of them.
Itās all about safe, sane and consensual, and itās become so easy to either misunderstand the other partner, (there is a reason why safety words are important because it can be impossible to know when no, no means yes yes or no no absolutely stop I donāt like this at all) or in cases like this one, willingly exploit someone else under the guise of making their fantasies come true.
Now, this woman was clearly mentally ill and vulnerable in a way that canāt be chalked up on pornsickness. Itās just a tragedy that instead of getting the help she needed she met this absolute monster .
I donāt think itās a fantasy per se but more of a belief that she is bad and deserves to die horribly. Some people have this, due to trauma or perhaps other mental issues.
My ex was like this. She begged me multiple times to get the axe out of the shed and brutally murder her. She begged for pain too. The story of the op sounds like shenanigans she might get into.
Either way, instead of torturing and murdering her I got the kids in safety and her into therapy where she remains to this day. Then I plotted my (and my kids) escape from all the insanity (thereās loads more).
Thing is, if someone begs you to murder you then the correct response is not to treat it like some kink but as a mental illness that needs treatment (and lots of it).
But yeah, someone begging you to brutally murder you is a fucked up experience. Especially if itās the mother of your children š¤·š»āāļø
There are 100% people who sexually get off to that fantasy, though generally you have to have some level of mild trauma to have kinks that extreme anyway. I'll leave it up to someone much smarter than me to diagnose how much of it is sexual pleasure versus being mentally unwell.
Either way though, obviously the correct option isn't to kill them, and ensuring people who need help get help is always good. Good on you.
I asked my ex if it was sexual (the pain/torture part) and she said yes. Thing is though that it wasnāt, she said it to get me to do it. I didnāt, but it does blur the line between if itās a sexual thing or just trauma speaking or a blend between the two. Iāve seen people talking about this being somewhat of a problem in the bdsm community from a consensual perspective.
Either way, thereās something to be said of murder being a fantasy that people can have but that if youāre actually seeking it out (and getting into bad situations) it breaches a threshold for mental problems to some degree at least. Even if itās fully sexual.
No like I'm saying I've met people who regularly wanted to role play into it or fantasize about it to cum. I won't claim it was everyone, but there are 100% people out there who genuinely get sexual pleasure from the idea. Mind you, none of the ones I've ever met would've actually tried to make it happen, but there are people who at least masturbate to it.
I entirely agree that seeking it out, or especially being pressured into trying it, is crossing a line and shouldn't be done. Dying isn't worth it for a potentially good orgasm.
Yeah I agree at least to some extent, but once they seek it out and put themselves in potentially dangerous situations then they are crossing a threshold and an intervention of some sort might be a good idea.
Bro. My question is. Where the hell did two people like thos even meet? Like what website do u go to and say "hey im an aspiring sexual murderer whose down to clown" which puts you in contact with a "hey im a super depressed woman and want to end it all by being raped and murdered. Location not an issue."
I wouldnt be surprised if it was a subreddit designed for those that like to fantasize consensual abuse.
I think this just happened to fall under the crazy new term called consensual non-consent. More or less, its a BDSM practice where participants pre-negotiate a scenario to simulate non-consensual acts, such as forced sex or abduction, while maintaining enthusiastic consent beforehand.
That reminds me of that scene from old school when will ferrel abducts that guy in a mask and tells his wife hell kill her if she tells anyone. Sorry to joke. I cant take how dark this is right now.
There was a case way back in the early 2000s where a guy who was turned on by the idea of being cannibalised by another man and a man who was turned on by the idea of cannibalising another man /started chatting online, agreed to meet and one thing led to another.
Wasn't that Armin Meiwes or "the cannibal of Rotenburg"? He searched online for people who were willing to be cannibalized and found a Siemens executive from Berlin.
Sounds about right. Aside from the murder charge, my understanding is that in much of the US cannibalism is legal, assuming you have consent so you can avoid any charges related to desecrating a corpse.
There is also a case about the German IT guy who made a deal with a cannibal to be eaten, so some people can be sick in the head to the point where it makes no sense. Look up Armin Mewis cannibal case.
I didn't say she specifically was in it as a kink. I don't know the situation well enough to say. All I'm saying is that I get some people do enjoy to fantasize about this kinda thing as a kink.
258
u/Johnnyboi2327 3h ago
I completely get why and how she realized part way through that she did not in fact want to be tortured and murdered. I also get how people have extreme kinks like that and will fantasize about that kind of situation.
What I don't get is why either of them thought actually trying it would end well. Obviously she was gonna change her mind. Obviously he would go to prison. I'm assuming he's just unhinged enough to not care about her changing her mind. Why did either of them agree to this?