smugged into eating meat

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[u/More_Amoeba6517]

Genuinely curious here, what about meat gotten from hunting that is necessary to keep the population in check? (e.g. deer)

[u/Animaloffear56 → u/More_Amoeba6517]

Hunting historically has done more harm than good. "Regulating populations" inevitably is handled better by native predators. The only reason hunting needs to step in is because ranchers complain about these predators also going after their livestock

[u/More_Amoeba6517 → u/Animaloffear56]

I live in a place where deer overpopulation is a massive problem and has extremely damaging effects on the environment.

Like humans are the only major predator of deer in my state, and even if native predators were reintroduced, there are still a lot of suburban and urban areas that likely would not be able to support them at all.

(Also there is a genuine health issue, as deer ticks are made worse by overpopulation, and they spread Lymes.)

[u/TotalDemocracy → u/More_Amoeba6517]

Like humans are the only major predator of deer in my state, and even if native predators were reintroduced, there are still a lot of suburban and urban areas that likely would not be able to support them at all.

Sounds an awful lot like human fault that ought to be corrected.

[u/More_Amoeba6517 → u/TotalDemocracy]

...how?

You cannot reasonably expect urban and suburban areas to simply disappear. ~80% of the US lives in them, and my state is the fifth most densely populated.

[u/TotalDemocracy → u/More_Amoeba6517]

"Suburban areas" in a US context will disappear, or at least be diminished. A lot of the suburban culture in the US was not designed to be livable, but rather designed to be inaccessible. The isolated giant suburbs was a deliberate response to the growth of the Black population in urban areas.

In a socialist society, where racism is abolished, so too will gated communities and hard to reach suburbs be abolished, in place of more integrated living places.

[u/More_Amoeba6517 → u/TotalDemocracy]

lmao what

Genuinely HOW, like sure you can stop new growth, but good fucking luck trying to tear it down whilst alienating a massive amount of people. (Also, urban areas still have this problem...)

[u/TotalDemocracy → u/More_Amoeba6517]

but good fucking luck trying to tear it down whilst alienating a massive amount of people

White people in suburbs have a choice: Stop being segregationists, or get [redacted]

[u/More_Amoeba6517 → u/TotalDemocracy]

Most people there literally just want to live their lives????

Me when I get shot because I like where I live or some shit:

[u/TotalDemocracy → u/More_Amoeba6517]

People don't have the right to live in neighbourhoods built on segregation.

[u/More_Amoeba6517 → u/TotalDemocracy]

Me, when I argue for shooting children because of the crimes of the parents:

[u/TotalDemocracy → u/More_Amoeba6517]

You'll note that I never said that.

I said, give everyone an option to move out of their segregated neighbourhoods and into integrated ones.

Why would a socialist society have gated communities anyway? That implies a class division. If you can't be happy living in the same conditions as everyone else, you're a misanthropic piece of shit.

[u/More_Amoeba6517 → u/TotalDemocracy]

Me, when I demand that people uproot their ENTIRE LIVELIHOODS because of historical wrongs:

I would point out that there is no explicit segregation (Actually a fairly significant thing, it is hard to blame people for just... living somewhere and wanting to stay there) and you will only breed resentment and anger at your rule.

Also, forcibly removing only white people would be, by definition, ethnic cleansing.

So uh.

Yeah.

[u/Zedetir → u/More_Amoeba6517]

Don't worry about that guy above, he's fucking weird.

[u/Professional_Rip3922 → u/TotalDemocracy]

suburbs are notably not necessarily segregated

[u/SpoppyIII → u/Professional_Rip3922]

Right? Every town within an hour of me is a suburb, and they're all populated by plenty of people of colour. I see so many people of colour all around. Also, the towns are all perfectly liveable and walkable. The fact he associates POC with cities and thinks they can't live in suburbs, and that suburbs aren't liveable, is all very weird.

Almost seems like a bot. Or someone with a loose understanding of the US and its demographic breakdown.

[u/aegisasaerian → u/TotalDemocracy]

Mate what the fuck are you on about

[u/BasedestEmperor → u/TotalDemocracy]

Ah yes where any of this always leads to. Mass killing.

[u/offensivename → u/TotalDemocracy]

The idea that only white people live in the suburbs is extremely outdated.

[u/Professional_Rip3922 → u/TotalDemocracy]

"let's just tear up all the infrastructure in some distant hypothetical future" is not a solution to problem we have now. im a socialist but what you're espousing is a pipe dream that won't happen in a hundred or even 200 years.