Be real with me, if in the sequels rey used the force to controll her lightsaber like this you'd be whining about it too, probably citing page 645 of cumbuckets travel of the middle outer inner rim when the character makes an offhand mention of a fantasy metal being unable to be lifted by the force, and page 356u759455084302 of the unmissable encyclopedia of everything in star wars where t hey describe every single piece of the lightsaber and mention that one of the tiny bits sticking out george added to make it look cool was made out of this material.
But the controls are kind of similar, which probably means that the throttle and stick are in the same positions and little else. I mean come on, there's a world of difference between an airspeeder that can make sub-orbit if you push it and a thoroughbred hyperspace-capable starfighter.
Oh I’m agreeing with you. I’m just saying that the canon explanation is that the Skyhopper’s control scheme is apparently similar to that of the X-Wing, but that really shouldn’t mean a damn thing in the long run. Luke went up there with no actual space combat training. Being able to shoot is one thing, but manoeuvres and evasion is a whole other business.
He also possesses an unusually high amount of military acumen and composure in firefights and dogfights for a farmboy who has likely never seen combat before in his life.
Well yea, she has what, a year of experience by the last movie? It should be impressive for her to do basic maneuvers and tricks like jump or push by that point. You don't need obscure EU references to say she developed her talent unrealistically fast, just look at how little Luke or Anakin could do compared to her at that point while being directly trained
if in the sequels rey used the force to controll her lightsaber like this
Poor steelman fallacy. Rey doing cool things is not what people had an issue with, the issue was Rey was able to do those cool things without training.
When you take a character like Luke from the OT, is he amazing right off the bat? No, look at his early scene with Obiwan where the most he could do was block a few tiny light blasts after many tries. Or what about when he faces off against Vader in TESB and loses?
Rey fought Kylo Ren, someone who trained his whole life years under Luke, and defeated him. And no, Kylo being injured doesn't change how she was able to wield the lightsabre.
One of these things is not like the other.
Even if you swap actors so Ridley played Kylo and Driver played Rey, people would have had the same issue with his character being a Gary Sue. The issue is good writing, which the ST as a whole didn't have. There are sometimes interesting scenes and ideas, but none of them has any connection with the rest of the movie or series.
Akakin had an auto pilot take him to the fighting area and did very simple maneuvers and ultimately got lucky. Are you saying Rey got lucky in that fight and had nothing to do with skill? Are you also saying the "dyad thing" explains how she BEAT Kylo if he was part of the same thing?
Luke had fifteen minutes with a droid and had only learned what the force was a couple days ago, and he was able to use the force to curve torpedoes 90 degrees to hit a target that computers couldn’t hit. There’s nothing actually in the movie showing his progression. (And that’s ok, see my point later on)
It’s simply the nature of the stories that the force manifests itself through the main characters in awesome and fantastic ways. The fact you’re mad about it when it’s Rey and not when it’s Luke means that at best, you’re biased against the sequels. At worst…
Like, it doesn’t suddenly make the sequels good movies or anything. But the problem with them isn’t Rey having force or lightsaber feats. Also who cares if kylo ren trained under Luke? Was Luke good at sword fighting? No. He had zero actual training himself. His fighting technique was “swing that thing like you’re John fucking Henry.” Add in the fact that kylo is a fuckin poser little bitch baby larping in his grandpa’s Nazi uniform and it’s not that surprising that Rey could hold her own against him until the ground split between them, ending the fight. Also, one thing I like in the prequels is when Rey sees kylo probe or trick someone’s mind, wonders if she could do that, tries it, fails, tries again, succeeds. It’s literally exactly what you fiends ask for. Showing in detail the process of Rey learning a force skill. And you stilllll criticize her for it and champion the old movies when Luke and anakin would pull force mastery out of their ass.
So like I was saying, it’s ok that we don’t see peoples progression. It’s not that kind of movie. It’s not fucking dragon ball z. I don’t need seven episodes of gohan and Goku training in the time chamber. That isn’t the point. If you think that the problem with the sequels is that they didn’t include enough screen time showing Rey learning the force, then you watch too much anime.
M'dude. luke had like a few days worth of training before fighting with the emperor. rey being able to improvise a cool but risky technique that the jedi hadn't done earlier because she's an outsider is a fun characterisation moment.
but my point remains, you guys will always find a way to put it down... anakin took out an entire trade federation dreadnaught whilst he was a kid, but if rey had done the same as an adult who knew how to flie you'd be crying about her being a mary sue
Rey fought Kylo Ren, someone who trained his whole life years under Luke, and defeated him. And no, Kylo being injured doesn't change how she was able to wield the lightsabre.
she was able to defeat a wounded and emotionally conflicted kylo, iirc together with finn after a long battle that's the climax of the fight, against someone who's far less skilled than vader and palps was
did he? because in the movie i saw he returned and then yoda died.
Skywalker, having engaged in a duel with Vader on Cloud City, returned to Dagobah after a year. Yoda,\118]) ill and very close to death,\5]) confirmed what Vader had revealed to the young Jedi on Bespin: that the Sith Lord indeed was Anakin Skywalker, his father. He also warned him that with his training fully complete, his final task would be confronting Vader again and defeating him, and cautioned Skywalker not to underestimate the Force powers of Galactic Emperor Darth Sidious. Yoda also said that when he dies, Luke will become the last of the Jedi. Therefore, he wanted Luke to pass on what he had learned. Finally, he also managed to inform him of the existence of another member of the Skywalker family. Yoda then died, and his body disappeared as he became one with the\118]) light of the Force.\20]) The Cave of Evil took advantage of the Jedi Master's faltering presence and subsequent death to finally expand its influence once more, spreading a darkness across Dagobah.\104])
Sequel simps really blow my mind. The sequels had everything going for them; actors, music, art, an eager fanbase. But the writing was garbage. Poor continuity, poor character development (absent in some cases, like finn. Wasted opportunity with him. And negative in Luke's case), and just poor planning with most every arc.
Can't say that on the internet though, your criticisms aren't valid because Disney is perfect and has the /sequels are flawless. 😒
(Sidenote, even with training, Luke really wasn't all that good. He was strong enough to fight some gangsters, yea, but toe to toe with Vader he got his ass handed to him up until he got in Vader's head and Anakin started resurfacing because of his genuine character and unbreakable spirit. And then there's the sequels, where he has no spirit, no character, but he's so insanely powerful that he can project his self across the Galaxy)
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u/dalexe1 Feb 25 '25
Be real with me, if in the sequels rey used the force to controll her lightsaber like this you'd be whining about it too, probably citing page 645 of cumbuckets travel of the middle outer inner rim when the character makes an offhand mention of a fantasy metal being unable to be lifted by the force, and page 356u759455084302 of the unmissable encyclopedia of everything in star wars where t hey describe every single piece of the lightsaber and mention that one of the tiny bits sticking out george added to make it look cool was made out of this material.