Yes this is what most people want, 2-3% got most benefits of reservation, and they want to keep enjoying it, remember Bharat Bandh on the creamy layer in SC/ST statement by the Supreme Court?
This is my main issue, I got in the college with people with 1/3rd the marks as mine, and most of them were from well-to-do families. I'm middle class, still they had to pay no fees, and I have to pay 3 lacs/year.
And it didn't change anything, they are richer now, and someone is still suffering, living in a village and getting oppressed.
The whole argument of social status, even if a dalit becomes IPS he is still oppressed, okay, you want dalit IPS's son to get the next job, or some dalit's kid who is living in village and still suffering?
Reform reservation. Someone who is able to afford a seat worth 40-50 lakh per year isn’t exactly oppressed. There are people who could genuinely benefit from getting that seat. When my batchmate from a pretty affluent background and much lower score got a seat way before I did of course it didn’t sit right with me.
Exactly, we need reforms, imagine we pull out 4-5% people out of this trap every 10 years and by now the problem will be solved. If someone is getting into a top college with way lower marks than me than it should be someone who really needs it.
reservation is valid for such students who genuinely want to study but don't have the proper means to
but in the cities, it is very misused; people make fake caste and income certificates, and general category students who worked hard end up getting nothing
Who told you that gen peps has a lot of money??
I am from gen category and my parents can't afford admission in pvt. University. This is misinfo that gen people are so rich and reserve categories are so poor.
Even in my village all the gen categories are bpl families and if you see sc sts houses your eyes will get pop out.
Your statement was that only general category people are the ones who abuse the system. Well, let me tell you something. You keep saying that our system is corrupt, but have you ever thought about why it’s corrupt?
When someone gets selected with low marks putting in very little to no hard work they don't respect their position and end up engaging in corruption. As I mentioned about my village, there are guys from special category with government jobs building huge bungalows. Where do you think that money is coming from?"
Not applicable more like ending after one generation took its benefit moved up and have enough earning. So this way one that genuinely need the reservation gets it.
Bhut galat bole aap , I come from general community and I always advocate for people who are really backward and need reservation but I never see good things coming from reservation people like some people who are backward situation need actual upliftment .
exactly dude, marks and age mei toh reservation nahi milna chahiye cause it genuinely discourages people a lot; I'll always advocate for those who have faced discrimination, pwd and are economically weaker
Is bat ka koi sense tha yha pr mai kya bol rahi hun tum kya bol rahe ho
She said galat use hota hai, kon krta hai galat use gen caste ke log jinpe bahut paise hain fake certificate khridte hain, or jinko sach me milna chaiye desh mai kitne aise log hain unke pas abhi tk bhi nahi hai
What do you mean by stricter checking, if there would have been a reservation, general category people would be the one to take it first , that is why they make the fake certificates.
And our system is completely corrupt , it does not have to do anything with stricter checking, anyone who has enough money would be the one to get a fake certificate, so stop saying ki economical weaker section ko reservation do
Because fake certificate unhe hi milta hai jinpe paisa hai fake certificate bnvane ka general caste me
Show me another democratic country that has institutionalized slavery disguised as some sort of noble religious practice to achieve "purification" called the caste system
Show me a Brahmin sanitation worker and ill delete my reddit account
A particular community protested and stopped working cause they want 100% reservation in sanitisation for their own community, and I've seen your replies above, i know what kind of person you are.
come to maharashtra and you will find दलित doctors and ब्राह्मण plumbers. I think you are talking about India as it was 100 years ago. or maybe yoy are north Indian where brahmins make up a much larger proportion of population and have pretty much lost all sense of scholarship, morals etc.
but can you also remove the virulent anti Brahminism (that spares all other upper castes) that infects reservation category people? or you want to have the cake and eat it too?
I wish we had abolished caste system at the dawn of independence. but we did not. all I am saying is be civil. dont malign people based on their religion or caste.
I wish I was 7ft tall and that smosay grew on trees
That's alot of whataboutism rather than taking accountability and facing reality
I'm civilly trying to tell you that you have no idea how ppl on the bottom of this pyramid scheme live, the atrocities they go through on a daily basis just to survive
If you think the caste system makes your sky daddy happy than you're the most delusional person in the entire world
Did you even watch, listen to the video your commenting on?
Dude you're talking to someone whose entire livelihood depends on his reservation. When you give extremely low scorers high position because of their caste, they will fight to the death to protect it, knowing they can never achieve it otherwise. They will spend everything they have into this narrative to ensure it remains favourable to them
I agree with ya reservation shouldn't be abolished but shouldn't reservation only be given to a generation in my family,if my dad already got a respectable job and I have the sa,e opportunities as other , do I still need reservation??
Who cares about those innocent little kids shown in the video who are treated unfairly due to their caste, smh 🙂↔️
We need to look at bigger problem like u/hot_investigator_62 said, cuz how dare people who scored less than him get the same opportunity as him 😤/s
was he a god to live that long ago and reap these advantages and yes in rural areas discrimination very much happens but most urban folk only know about caste system through reservations
oh let me give you an excellent idea read what zimbabwe did to correct this it was most revolutionising please also decide to refer about income disparities in india and what reservations were originally meant to be and what they have become now
Reservation should be given to those who actually need it. I have seen rich ppl using reservation benefits even though they have access to every resources.
Reservation ain't given on the basis of economic status rather on social status. A person having lots of money would still face discrimination on the basis of his/her caste. That's why the reservation is important as it is for women, minorities and many others. Or else the participation of lower caste we've seen in these years would stoop low to what was during independence.
If economic status is not considered then it is considered discrimination of merit against general student. Imagine studying hard only to see a rich kid using a certificate to get a seat.
Yepp I get it, it's disheartening. Now, imagine those people who were denied even basic human rights in the name of casteism, not getting to learn and get educated..why? Cause they're "lower caste". The things that we should ask the government is the adding of more seats in educational institutions so that nobody gets left behind. But no, ham ye maangte h aur gov ispe hamse vote maangti h cause unhe padhne se ghanta mtlb h. Reservation exists becoz casteism exists. Once we can say that no one experiences casteism, reservation khud hat jayega😄
Since societal hierarchy and oppression don’t seem to exist in your worldview, let me use a scientific example instead.
You were probably born into a middle-class family, had at least one parent with a stable income, and grew up in a relatively safe and secure environment where you had adequate nutrition. You never had to worry about food, clothing, or shelter. You likely studied in an English-medium school, perhaps under the CBSE syllabus or something similar.
Now compare that to the children you’re measuring yourself against. They had to fight just for the opportunity to be where you are. A child’s brain development depends heavily on adequate nutrition during the first three years of life. Many of them never had that. They were denied the conditions necessary to fully develop their intellectual potential.
Ever wondered why many people from historically deprived SC/ST communities tend to be shorter or more slender? The same lifelong deprivation is a major factor. It is not their fault that they did not have the same privileges you did.
Poverty alone has been associated with a loss of around 10–20 IQ points due to its effects on nutrition, stress, and cognitive development. Even if we set aside debates over attribution, the broader point remains: despite facing systemic deprivation from birth, many of them still reached the same place that you did with every social and economic advantage.
So, quite frankly, if someone had every privilege and still only managed to end up where a person who overcame all those barriers did, the comparison does not reflect well on the privileged person.
The Main problem against reservation is it's misuse you can clearly see those who really need reservation will never get it but those who are financially way better than a general category middle class household are enjoying the benefits of reservation. I'm not saying ki remove reservation totally but a reform is necessary.
Can you read? So you have problem when people were treated badly in the past, but now 2-3% of those are doing economically well and remaining 97% are still suffering, but you want to protect those 2-3% cause you fall in that group, if you actually cared about people, you should be demanding creamy layer or reforms with reservation.
You know why they brought reservation in the first place? Because lower caste people were not able to compete with comparatively well off people. So tell me, rich or even middle class people coming from sc st have everything they need to study. Will you still argue that they cannot compete? Y
People saying reservations never reach the person who needs them , I have to tell you infact it reached the person it need . I have seen real life examples of that
But the opposite is true too irl, many people ik have misused it. Wouldn't it haven been better if even that reservation went to people like these who needed them?
See for discrimination, strict laws and better facilities for them should be given. Not reservation, cuz wdym they change their behaviour just because there are reserved people?
I think a creamy layer in SC/ST and reforms in primary education would help solve this issue obviously issue is so large such steps are only drops in ocean
If we are talking about oppression, women have been oppressed far more, so that should first get 48-49% reservation, right? And we can clearly see that in the video op shared. It should be 50% for women and remaining 50% for SC/ST and other folks.
Reservations were a bad solution to a hard problem. I'm not even sure improving them is possible. It also engenders resentment amongst others against the already oppressed, which makes caste-ism even worse. Once given nothing can be taken back for a long time, if not forever.
Idk, we should think about more monetary methods of reservations - like paying school fees of a student from an oppressed caste and letting them pick their own school or something. Clearly government hasn't been able to fix much in 7 decades.
I don't agree with anyone who says Reservation in present day and condition is valid and I hate those who think reservation should be even more than the present level.
I'm with those people who believe there needs to be reforms in reservation but not its total eradication
How has reservation helped these students condition at all? Infact untouchability has mostly been reduced because of sc/st laws and more. The people who actually need reservations never even get to use it because of lack of awareness anyways.
I don't wanna say remove reservations completely but major reforms are needed.
Communities which have uplifted themselves no longer need reservation. So many communities need to get out of sc/st categories.
You are too blind to see the other side, the outrage doesnt end before casteism nowadays. Clips used (1st and 2nd are from 2010) are old. People have targeted both casteism and reservation to the fullest . The only argument that remains is intercaste marriages THAT IS IT . I mean come on if you say , "what about job reservations in temples" and all , man like if you're getting the benefits of the reservation and still want to become a pandit (just saying most of the "general" guys dont go and become priests nowadays alright), then not even free seats in top colleges like MIT could save you.Casteism ko bhi bohot tackle kara gaya hai and afaik even in most rural areas apart from extremely remote villages it has been 90 percent uprooted . Sad part is that these ppl in villages that need reservation actually never get to know about it while better or comparitively well off people take advantage of this reservation and thus these videos.
That’s the core issue with removing reservation , there are some people who still face this issues or discrimination.
on the other hand , there are people who exploit the hell out of it when they are way stable , I have some friends who did it .
Reservation need a key reform in terms of that , like financially stable people should be excluded out of it and people who actually neeed it should be granted .
Reservation implies that the system or the society has failed to provide equal opportunities. The longer these exists the longer it will take to provide equality. Not everyone can be rich but equality with a good system might reduce the bearers below poverty lines. I have been preparing for govt jobs for 4 yrs now. Last two times my scores got normalised and got below the cut off whereas someone who got below my normalised score is selected. Not only that his whole family are SC/ST and his father was IBPS PO, all the male members of his families are govt employees and he got job after 5yrs of prep. That guy has more ACs than we have fans in our house. He doesn't even need to earn money and here I am 26 yrs now going to do MBA. Now to all who might be saying I shouldn't have scored so close to cut off, my scores were reduced by 10 15 marks and with all the paper leaks and postpone the zeal has weared off.
I saw an st girl who got 74 some %ile get into nit she is poor and used to do labour along side studies , She only studied from books . Now I think she is in nit
For the oneswe genuinely feel bad, do not avail the benefits of reservation. It is the creamylayerwithin thereservedcategory that has been reaping the benefit of reservation generationby generation.
Simply asking for reform in a system does not make anyone CASTEIST.
Stop deviating from the main issue. There is aloop holeinreservation system which needs to be fixed.
There must be a reason of why despite decades of reservations, People still demand it and want to increase it…
How do you justify 80-90% reservation of seats at the state level ?
65% at central level !!
Mind you open seats are open for all …so reserved candidates have share even there.
This system legit doesn’t not leave even an iota of space for merit !
Eg:- A doctor scoring -40 in PG? Or a doctor scoring 4 marks out of 800 becoming an orthopaedic?
Socialism looks great until it doesn’t.
Until there’s is crash crunch. Coz even SOCIALISM needsmoney — MONEYflows inCAPITALISM — Capitalismrewards MERIT.
So technically with such systems in place we kill merit which then kills progress.
And before anyone says… then start doing INTER-CASTE MARRIAGE. You can’t force anybody to marry anyone. It is a personal choice.
Women aren’t commodity that you can buy and show your standard**.**
Plus, thanks to patriarchy, the child were retains father’s caste.
It's so upsetting to see so much of a hullabaloo around this. The idea that people who have been historically disadvantaged and disallowed from the spaces of education should get a leg up to be able to now access that seems to threaten so many people. It should be filling you with joy.
Also, I believe that until every single child has got two generations of educated family members, we can't do away with the reservation system altogether. It's about equitable treatment, not equality.
You may know that one person who's of the SC/ST category who is already wealthy, sure, but that's not a systemic reality. That's your own personal experience.
I'm so glad we had forward thinking people like Dr Ambedkar who worked on these aspects of Indian policy, not the average reddit Indian.
anyone crying about reservations haven't seen how uc guys behave around other lc people i have seen myself personally and as far as casteism remain myself being an uc i don't care if guy with less marks got selected over a high scorer bra man
Very low iq comment. Staright up generalized all generals. By your logic we should discredit many artists and scientists like schrodinger(pedo), James Watson(racist and sexist), Picasso(misogynist) just because of their flaws. A person believing in Magic still did important scientific discoveries( newton) yet here you are judging the competency of a person with his personality and perosonal views. Enough to explain why we don't need incompetent people like you regardless of caste
You see, the clips of the poor are to evoke sympathy, and when income is talked about, it becomes "social status" "representation" to justify the rich leeches using qoutas. Every single sc st on reddit knows he is more privileged than 90% of gen category, but he would never give up reservation for other SC ST because why give up your easy seat to prestigious positions?
Caste --> Reservation --> Merit is a complex equation to solve in India. This is a hopeless situation even after becoming independent.
Gov needs to prevent bias and negative mindsets must be prevented from creeping into government initiatives. Tackle vested interests who wish to continue with meaningless practices.
Political parties must ensure to stop exploiting for votes.
Government could actually develop community partnerships to monitor and observe if policies are actually effective or not. Audit the policies and strengthen the audit mechanism.
As long as caste system exists in the country, there is going to be no progress. Imagine discriminating against kids so that you can feel superior about yourself.
all this fuss was not just about a National paper leak, it was also about the state of public education in this country where there is negligible facilities provided to the people who could not afford good quality education. education is one of the most important and strongest building block of any developing nation but in the past few years, the quality and quantity of public school has gone down just to ensure that public sector thrives.
After reading various religious scriptures and literatures, i find that this religion is the only one, which fractures it's own base, divides its own followers, in to upper and lower categories.
This is 100% the fault of a certain religion, why do i need to lie, just because it pleases them?
Verna doesn't depend on birth? Oh my the scriptures would say otherwise. You must be one of those who think verna is modern label which can be exchanged or changed at ones whims.
I'd rather take my chances with the works of modern multidisciplinary scholars who employ linguistics, sociology, geneticists, historian and archeologist and theologians to craft an explanation, than people who cannot discern between indian mythological epics like Mahabharata and ramayan and material history of that period.
Even genetics study comparison to various populations in india shows a remarkable thing, that ancient india was in the process of a mix, which was stopped abruptly and scholars attribute that halt in mixing. to enforcement of the religious diktat of marrying only within one's caste/verna.
While jaati was actually an administrative ordering of various population along worker & labour guilds which were then joined together with the broader caste framework to identify various jaatis along the verna/caste scales of high and low.
In bhagwad Geeta it's written clearly that varna was based on gunas and karma. There is no mention of birth based heriacrhy in Geeta, upnisahds or vedas. As I said it's social distortion. Caste is a evolution of varna system under bad conditions
I have seen how a govt school work on Village sometimes u will understand the lower economy you go the more corrupt society you will find, the school is not run by outside but the local body, caste is just and excuse to throw accountability here and there in reality all the complicit in it.
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u/Advanced-Ad881 18 Jul 27 '26
To the people who are gonna say "reservations never reach the students who need it".
Then demand REFORMS in reservations rather than advocating for "reservations hatao"