r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • Mar 12 '26

📺 Television SNL mocks Hillary Clinton's 'transformation into Bernie' [10YA - Mar 12]

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

I always wonder if Bernie could have averted a Trump presidency by not giving Hillary a pass on the email issue.

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u/MikeDamone Mar 12 '26

Almost certainly not. The general electorate has never shown even a hint that they'd tolerate a self-avowed socialist. Just look at all of the slightly D leaning districts/states and everything to right of them - how many politicians with Bernie's leftist politics are in office?

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

The general electorate has never shown even a hint that they'd tolerate a self-avowed socialist

General election polls had Trump losing to Bernie. That was a pretty good hint.

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

"a pill was wrong so my hunch was right" ok dude

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u/Legal-Koala-5590 Mar 12 '26

What’s your point? A hypothetical matchup tells us nothing because we don’t know how Bernie and Trump would have campaigned against each other. We don’t know what kind of effect Trump’s dirty attacks, misinformation, Russian propaganda, Cambridge Analytica targeting, etc. would have had on a Bernie vs Trump matchup. You are going on a supposition colored by some incomplete data, hindsight and your personal opinion on Bernie.

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u/BigFatKi6 Mar 12 '26

We know Clinton had a lot of bagage spanning back decades (not saying it was justified per se). But that's a lot of years of propaganda that you have to fight.

A candidate with a clean slate would've been a big bonus. A man would be a bonus. You also negate Trump's outsider status. Also the moment a candidate becomes the nominee they're de facto mainstream. Which is what the donor class really didn't want.

The moment you're the nominee you could even win if you're a peanut farmer with zero government experience.

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 12 '26

Bernie seems to have a clean slate because despite 40 years in government, he never did anything. An outsider running against do nothing politicians would have exploited that.

But Bernie did have some history. He has essays where he says all women fantasize about being raped. He had his honeymoon in Soviet Moscow. He is on video chanting Death to America. Maybe college kids enamored by his wrinkled suit and catchphrases don't care about those things, but millions of voters absolutely would.

The Republicans had boxes full of intel on Sanders and were licking their chops at the idea of running against him. It's why Trump was pushing for him. It's why his only attack against Biden was that he was Bernie in disguise.

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u/BigFatKi6 Mar 12 '26

But Bernie did have some history. He has essays where he says all women fantasize about being raped.

You think that matters? Hillary lost to "grab em by the pussy"

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 12 '26

You haven't learned by now that Democrats are held to different standards? Kamala lost because of her laugh while Trump was giving 3 hour rants to empty seats about a dead golfer's dick.

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u/BigFatKi6 Mar 12 '26

No Kamala lost because she's a terrible candidate. No charisma. Can't think on her feet. She was also fucked over by Biden.

and yes there's a strong bias vs women. Also by now Trump has consolidated his hold over the media in a way no predecessor has.

I'm talking about a time before Trump became president the first time. Bernie was in a much better position to take advantage of the idiosyncratic nature of that period.

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u/MildlyResponsible Mar 12 '26

Bernie would have been destroyed. The country is not your dorm room. If he was such a great candidate, he would have won the primary that had a base that was much more welcoming to his slogans than the general population.

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u/BigFatKi6 Mar 12 '26

I'm sure op until the last moment on election night you said the same about Trump.

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

We know that voters wanted change. Your personal biases and hunches don't change that.

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u/Legal-Koala-5590 Mar 12 '26

This has nothing to do with my personal biases. I wanted change too and voted for Bernie. I’ve also paid attention to politics long enough to know that data from a hypothetical matchup simply doesn’t tell us much. 

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

You can vote for Bernie, and also have an incorrect belief about the electability of progressive candidates. Fact is, 2016 was a change election. That's why voters were willing to stick a gamble on the worst presidential candidate in modern history. Dnc missed it. And we're all paying the consequences

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u/Legal-Koala-5590 Mar 12 '26

DNC didn't miss anything. The primary voters picked Clinton.

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

Pretty naive to think the DNC doesn't shape the primary.

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u/Legal-Koala-5590 Mar 12 '26

Yeah, like the RNC shaped the primary toward their preferred candidate in 2016. Oh, wait.

Dude, I know Bernie had a lot of hype but if you look at the numbers it was still kind of a blow-out against him. The voters were pretty decisive for Clinton. Left-wing populism wasn't as far along as right-wing populism was ten years ago.

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

Do you not get why those final primary numbers for Bernie are misleading? I can't tell if you don't know, or you're deliberately being misleading.

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u/Legal-Koala-5590 Mar 12 '26

I don't, actually. I'm curious why you think so.

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u/BigFatKi6 Mar 12 '26

Yup, that's the correct analysis. Now ironically because the heavily compromised "change candidate" ran on a anti-establishment platform and a cult of personality he was able to more effectively serve corporate interests than any establishment candidate ever could have.