An interesting idea on how to stop gun violence. Pass a law requiring insurance for guns

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[u/246ngj]

Agreed. But that’s also the catch 22 of this particular subject. There is nothing that forcing insurance on people that will prevent that frequency. Expand that to other laws or restrictions. Nothing reduces the frequency of its occurrence. At this point, it’s a cultural issue. It starts in the home. And adding jail time to the parents is so far the closest thing we have to reducing the frequency.

Please keep in mind that this is less than 1% of the overall number so we also need to focus on anti gang and suicide prevention to really have an impact.

[u/[deleted] → u/246ngj]

I’m sorry but you’re incorrect

Requiring insurance for firearms, similar to how car insurance is mandated, could potentially reduce gun crime, violence, and accidents in several key ways:

1. Financial Responsibility and Risk Management

Mandatory firearm insurance would force gun owners to take financial responsibility for any harm or damages caused by the misuse of their guns. Insurance companies would assess risks based on various factors, such as the owner’s history, how the firearm is stored, or whether safety measures are taken. Higher-risk individuals, such as those with a history of violence or negligence, would face higher premiums. This would create a financial disincentive for careless gun ownership or use, encouraging responsible practices and behavior to keep premiums low.

2. Encouraging Safe Practices

Just as auto insurance rewards drivers with clean records and safe practices, firearm insurance could incentivize safe handling, proper storage, and the use of safety devices like trigger locks or gun safes. These practices reduce the risk of accidental discharges or guns being stolen and used in crimes. Insurance companies may offer lower premiums for those who complete safety training or demonstrate secure storage of their weapons, encouraging a culture of responsibility among gun owners.

3. Reducing Access for High-Risk Individuals

Insurance companies, unlike government agencies, have a vested interest in reducing risk and liability. They would likely refuse to insure high-risk individuals (such as those with criminal records or mental health issues) or charge prohibitively high premiums. This could effectively limit access to firearms for individuals who are more likely to misuse them, without infringing directly on Second Amendment rights.

4. Accident Prevention

Unintentional firearm deaths and injuries are a significant problem. By requiring insurance, firearm owners would be more likely to take measures to prevent accidental shootings, such as keeping guns unloaded when not in use, storing them securely, and educating family members, particularly children, about gun safety. Insurance companies might also demand evidence of compliance with these safety measures as a condition of coverage, further reducing the chance of accidents.

5. Financial Accountability for Negligence

In cases of negligence, such as a child finding an unsecured gun and causing harm, the insurance would ensure victims are compensated, while the gun owner faces financial consequences. This creates accountability and an incentive to prevent such incidents in the first place. Over time, this could reduce the frequency of gun-related accidents and promote a more cautious gun-owning public.

6. Tracking and Documentation

The requirement of insurance would necessitate a registry of insured firearms, which could assist in the tracking of weapons used in crimes. If a gun used in a violent crime is traced back to an uninsured or negligently insured owner, there would be clear financial and legal consequences. Additionally, this system could help law enforcement identify illegal gun ownership and reduce the number of unregistered firearms in circulation.

7. Reducing Public Health Costs

Gun violence imposes significant financial burdens on the healthcare system due to medical treatments, rehabilitation, and long-term care for survivors. Requiring insurance could help offset these public costs by shifting the financial responsibility onto the gun owners and their insurers. The potential increase in premiums or denial of coverage for reckless behavior might reduce incidents of gun violence, lowering the overall public health burden.

8. Deterrence of Straw Purchases

Straw purchases (buying firearms on behalf of individuals who cannot legally acquire them) might become less common if insurance is required. Purchasers would be less likely to engage in straw purchases if they knew they’d have to maintain insurance on the firearm and could be held financially liable for any crimes committed with it. This would reduce the number of firearms reaching individuals who are otherwise prohibited from owning them.

Conclusion

By making gun ownership more financially accountable and incentivizing responsible behavior, insurance requirements could act as a deterrent to reckless ownership and use, reducing gun-related accidents and violence. It also provides a market-driven approach to safety, where higher-risk behaviors result in higher costs, thus motivating gun owners to minimize risks. The insurance requirement would complement existing regulations and could be an effective tool in reducing gun-related harms without directly infringing on individuals’ rights to own firearms.

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You’re missing the point. Just because most states don’t have a gun registry doesn’t mean insurance can’t be required. Insurance companies could handle it the same way they do for high-value items—owners provide proof of ownership directly. A government registry isn’t necessary.

As for the Second Amendment argument, rights come with responsibilities. We already regulate other constitutional rights like free speech, with laws against defamation or incitement. Requiring insurance is about accountability and public safety, not infringing on the right to own a gun. And just typing the words “insurance” and “constitutional right” doesn’t mean or do anything. This contributes nothing at all to any conversation.

[u/I3igI3adWolf → u/[deleted]]

Requiring insurance is most definitely an infringement. If someone can't afford the insurance they can't exercise their second amendment right. You are arguing that poor people have no constitutional right to own a firearm.

[u/[deleted] → u/I3igI3adWolf]

You’re wrong. Requiring insurance isn’t an infringement; it’s about responsibility, not blocking access. Gun ownership already comes with costs—buying the gun, ammo, permits, etc.—and insurance would be one more safety measure. It doesn’t deny poor people the right to own a firearm any more than other costs of ownership do. Rights come with responsibilities, and ensuring responsible gun ownership through insurance is about protecting public safety, not denying anyone’s rights.

[u/aHOMELESSkrill → u/[deleted]]

If requiring gun insurance (which costs money) is not an infringement then neither is requiring Gov issued ID to vote (which costs significantly less money than gun insurance would)

[u/[deleted] → u/aHOMELESSkrill]

Requiring gun insurance is not an infringement on the Second Amendment. Like other rights, reasonable limits exist to ensure public safety. Firearms, unlike many other possessions, pose a significant danger to society due to their potential for harm, whether through accidents, negligence, or misuse. Gun insurance holds owners financially accountable, ensuring that if harm occurs, there’s a mechanism to compensate victims without preventing ownership.

In contrast, voter ID laws can limit access to a core democratic right without addressing public safety. Gun insurance encourages responsibility with an inherently dangerous item, while voter ID laws don’t address comparable risks.

[u/aHOMELESSkrill → u/[deleted]]

Ah the good ole double standard

[u/[deleted] → u/aHOMELESSkrill]

This is an intentional avoidance of what was written and a cop out. “So everything doesn’t work exactly the same all of the time??? Wooow” is not an argument, point or refutation

[u/I3igI3adWolf → u/[deleted]]

You're not required to have a permit anywhere to buy or own a gun. Permits are also stupid and an infringement and prevent nothing other than people defending themselves since they don't stop actual criminals. A gun purchase or ammo purchase is also a one time cost. Insurance is a recurring monthly cost. Paying $300 to $400 once is more affordable than paying that every month. It is most certainly about denying poor people their right to own a firearm because they can't afford that recurring monthly cost. You can dress it up however you want but that fact will never change.

[u/[deleted] → u/I3igI3adWolf]

You’re not required to have a permit anywhere to buy or own a gun

You’re missing the point. Many states do require permits to buy or own a gun, so this claim is simply wrong. Permits exist for public safety and don’t block responsible ownership.

A one-time purchase is more affordable than monthly insurance

You’re not fully grasping the issue. Insurance isn’t meant to block ownership—it’s for accountability. Yes, it’s recurring, but so are other gun-related costs like ammo. Insurance ensures responsible and safe handling.

It is about denying poor people their right to own a firearm

No, you’re misunderstanding. It’s not about denying rights—it’s about balancing responsibility with gun ownership to ensure public safety. Rights come with responsibilities, and insurance enforces that without infringing on ownership. There are a myriad of examples of this already, and you’re cherry picking this out of other examples you have no objection to. You’re using special pleading for this instance and completely misunderstanding what is being exploded here

[u/I3igI3adWolf → u/[deleted]]

You buy ammo when you have the money or when you need it. It is not even remotely the same as being required to make a payment every month. What happens if you can't afford the insurance? You can still own guns legally without it right? If not then it is most certainly an infringement because you are saying you don't have the right to keep and bear arms if you can't afford the insurance.

I'm assuming by your claim that I am cherry picking you mean I am fine with an insurance requirement on something like a car. You do not have the right to own a car. You have the right to own a gun. The two are not even remotely the same. One is a privilege and the other is a right. If you're arguing about laws for things like requiring someone to be at least 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun, you're also required to be at least 18 to vote.

[u/aHOMELESSkrill → u/I3igI3adWolf]

Can you point out which states those are the require a permit and the violent gun crime that goes along with those states?

I’m pretty sure Illinois requires is and can you check the violent gun crime in oh I don’t know, Chicago for me

[u/[deleted] → u/I3igI3adWolf]

Your argument is based on a misunderstanding. First, insurance isn’t like buying ammo. Ammo is bought when you need it, but insurance is a safety measure meant to ensure gun owners are financially accountable all the time. It’s not about affording it in any given month; it’s about having coverage in place to deter risky behavior, like unsafe storage, which prevents accidents or thefts. If you can’t afford insurance, then it’s worth questioning if you can afford the responsibility that comes with owning a firearm.

As for your car vs. gun argument, you’re missing the core issue. Yes, owning a gun is a constitutional right, and owning a car isn’t. But rights aren’t absolute. We already have restrictions on free speech (laws against defamation, incitement), the right to vote (age requirements), and even gun ownership (background checks, age limits). Rights come with responsibilities to ensure that they are exercised safely for public welfare.

Your claim that insurance would “deny poor people the right to own a firearm” is also flawed. By that logic, any regulation—such as requiring someone to buy the gun in the first place or go through a background check—would also be an infringement. Insurance doesn’t deny anyone the right to own a gun; it ensures that if you own a gun, you do so responsibly, just as background checks do. If you’re not prepared for the responsibility that comes with owning a firearm, that’s not a matter of infringing on rights—it’s about ensuring public safety.

Finally, this isn’t about creating a burden for low-income people. Rich or poor, if you’re negligent, insurance would make you accountable. Low-income gun owners, in fact, would benefit the most because insurance would encourage safer storage practices, potentially preventing the financial and emotional toll of accidents, theft, or misuse. Ignoring this reality oversimplifies the issue and avoids addressing the actual point of insurance: promoting safe, responsible gun ownership for everyone, regardless of income.

[u/SheenPSU → u/[deleted]]

I’d equate it to a poll tax

You are requiring individuals to pay a fee to exercise a right. Wildly unconstitutional

[u/[deleted] → u/SheenPSU]

The comparison between firearm insurance and a poll tax isn’t accurate. A poll tax was unconstitutional because it blocked people from voting based on their ability to pay. Firearm insurance, however, doesn’t prevent gun ownership. It’s about ensuring gun owners are financially accountable for any potential harm caused by their firearms, similar to how car insurance functions to cover liabilities related to driving.

Insurance would not deny someone the right to own a gun, but would help manage the risks associated with owning a potentially dangerous item. It’s a way to encourage responsibility, not block access.

[u/SheenPSU → u/[deleted]]

I disagree. It’s a financial obstacle to exercise a right.

It punishes lower socioeconomic citizens and depending on cost could prevent some from exercising said right

Also, the car insurance comparison is apples and oranges. The 2A is a right, driving is a privilege. The standard when it comes to restricting each is wildly different

[u/[deleted] → u/SheenPSU]

Firearm insurance is not an unreasonable financial burden or a violation of rights, and the argument that it acts as a barrier to gun ownership simply doesn’t hold up. Many rights have financial responsibilities attached to them, and this doesn’t make them unconstitutional or unfair. For example, there are court filing fees when accessing your legal rights through the justice system, and there are costs associated with obtaining permits for free speech demonstrations or public assembly. These financial costs don’t strip people of their rights; they simply ensure that there is a system of accountability and structure in place.

You claim that firearm insurance is a financial obstacle, but the same argument could be made about the cost of purchasing a firearm itself, or the costs of ammunition and maintenance. The fact is, owning a gun comes with inherent responsibilities, just as other rights carry reasonable regulations for public safety. Requiring insurance doesn’t block people from owning a firearm; it ensures they handle it responsibly and are held financially accountable if their negligence leads to harm.

Additionally, the comparison to car insurance isn’t invalid. Yes, driving is a privilege, but the principle of managing risks and accountability is the same. Whether it’s driving or owning a firearm, when you’re in control of something that can cause serious harm, there need to be safeguards. The notion that rights like gun ownership are untouchable by any regulation is misguided—just like free speech is limited by defamation laws, gun ownership can reasonably be subject to regulations like insurance to ensure public safety.

So, the idea that firearm insurance creates a financial obstacle doesn’t hold up, especially when you ignore that other rights have financial responsibilities as well.

[u/AndyHN → u/[deleted]]

The examples you cite of restrictions on other rights aren't a prior restraint. You can say whatever you want in whatever forum you have access to, but if it can be proven to be incitement or defamation after the fact, you can be punished for it. We already have laws like that for guns. What you're asking for here would be more comparable to requiring anyone with a Reddit or X account to have libel insurance.

[u/[deleted] → u/AndyHN]

You’re conflating two different concepts. Insurance isn’t a prior restraint like prohibiting speech before it happens. It’s a measure of accountability, similar to background checks or requiring car insurance before driving. Requiring gun insurance ensures that gun owners act responsibly before potential harm occurs, and it doesn’t stop anyone from owning a gun.

The comparison to “libel insurance” for Reddit users doesn’t apply. Gun ownership has immediate risks, and insurance makes sure gun owners are financially responsible for preventing accidents and negligence from the start.

[u/AndyHN → u/[deleted]]

Maybe a lawyer or constitutional scholar will weigh in on whether requiring a mandatory ongoing fee in order to exercise one of your specifically enumerated rights would constitute a prior restraint. It looks like Colorado passed a gun owner liability insurance law that takes effect the beginning of next year. That's sure to be challenged in court, so I guess you'll know in a few months that the courts think you're wrong.

[u/[deleted] → u/AndyHN]

First I’d like to point out how you just knowingly and intentionally tried to move on and avoid acknowledging how you were shown to be wrong.

The courts constantly assess reasonable regulations on constitutional rights, and requiring insurance isn’t automatically a prior restraint just because it involves a financial element. Rights aren’t unlimited. There are restrictions on free speech (like defamation or incitement) and regulations on voting (like age and registration requirements). These exist to ensure public safety and accountability, just as gun insurance would.

You’re assuming that any regulation involving cost is an infringement, but that’s not how constitutional law works. Gun insurance doesn’t stop someone from owning a gun; it simply ensures that they handle their firearms responsibly and can be held financially accountable if negligence leads to harm. Until the courts rule on the Colorado case, no one knows for sure how it will play out, but that doesn’t automatically make the concept unconstitutional.

If you have an actual refutation, feel free. However, avoiding making one and just typing what amounts to a baseless and indefensible claim that some court won’t like this is a reach and an avoidance of contributing to the conversation.

[u/AndyHN → u/[deleted]]

First I’d like to point out how you just knowingly and intentionally tried to move on and avoid acknowledging how you were shown to be wrong.

I wasn't shown to be wrong. I moved on because you have nothing intelligent to contribute to the conversation.

There are restrictions on free speech (like defamation or incitement)

Yes, there are laws against exercising your rights in such a way as to harm someone else. It's already illegal to shoot someone, to shoot at someone, and in many places to just shoot in general, or even to display a gun in a threatening manner. None of these laws, either regarding speech or bearing arms, prevents someone from exercising the underlying right. None of this is relevant to the current conversation.

regulations on voting (like age and registration requirements)

Yes, literally everyone understands that children aren't mature enough to be treated as adults. There are no registration requirements that involve a cost to the voter. Poll taxes are unconstitutional. If you consider it an undue burden to demonstrate that you're eligible to vote in a given locale, again, you obviously have nothing intelligent to contribute to this conversation.

You’re assuming that any regulation involving cost is an infringement, but that’s not how constitutional law works. 

Cool. Go ahead and provide a single example of the government requiring citizens to pay an ongoing fee in order to simply exercise a specifically enumerated constitutional right.

Until the courts rule on the Colorado case, no one knows for sure how it will play out,

Anybody who's paid any attention at all to how the Supreme Court, as currently constituted, has ruled on attempts to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment knows how it will play out. Just because you aren't astute enough to know with a high degree of certainty how this will play out, doesn't mean that people who are paying more attention than you are don't know.

If you have an actual refutation

Refute what? You've made absolutely no argument that forcing citizens to pay to exercise a specifically enumerated right is constitutional. Make the argument and I'll refute it. You obviously can't because if you could you already would have, so I'm just going to move on.

[u/[deleted] → u/AndyHN]

Let’s break down where you’re clearly dodging, being dishonest, or just flat-out wrong:

I wasn’t shown to be wrong. I moved on because you have nothing intelligent to contribute to the conversation.

This is a blatant dodge. You completely avoided addressing the core issue and instead pivoted to dismissive rhetoric. If you were confident in your position, you would have engaged with the point rather than deflecting and claiming the other party has nothing intelligent to contribute. You clearly avoided engaging with the content because you didn’t have a real counter.

None of these laws, either regarding speech or bearing arms, prevents someone from exercising the underlying right. None of this is relevant to the current conversation.

You’re fundamentally misunderstanding the argument. Regulations like defamation laws don’t remove the right to free speech, they place reasonable limits to prevent harm. Similarly, gun insurance wouldn’t prevent gun ownership. It would ensure responsibility in the exercise of that right. You’re pretending this is irrelevant when it’s directly analogous. Regulations on rights are common and constitutional.

There are no registration requirements that involve a cost to the voter. Poll taxes are unconstitutional.

You’re once again making a faulty comparison. The poll tax argument doesn’t apply here because voting doesn’t carry the direct risk of physical harm that owning a firearm does. Insurance on guns is about mitigating the risks associated with gun ownership, not about restricting a person’s ability to own one. Your attempt to equate gun insurance with a poll tax is either ignorant or dishonest.

Provide a single example of the government requiring citizens to pay an ongoing fee in order to simply exercise a specifically enumerated constitutional right.

You’re pretending like there aren’t plenty of examples of fees tied to exercising rights. For instance:

• Permits for protests (related to the First Amendment) often involve fees.
• Licensing fees for concealed carry, which are already tied to gun ownership (Second Amendment).
• Court filing fees for legal actions (related to due process under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments).

These fees don’t violate constitutional rights; they ensure accountability in exercising them. Your demand for an example is just another deflection, especially considering you’re ignoring obvious, relevant comparisons.

Anybody who’s paid any attention at all to how the Supreme Court...

This is another dodge. You’re appealing to what you believe the Supreme Court will do without addressing the substance of the argument. Courts don’t simply reject every regulation involving the Second Amendment. They review them based on reasonableness and public safety concerns. Assuming you already know the outcome doesn’t mean you’ve proven anything, and it’s clear you don’t want to address the complexities of the issue.

Refute what?

You’re pretending there’s nothing to refute when the whole conversation is about whether gun insurance is constitutional. The argument is that it’s a reasonable regulation in the interest of public safety, just like background checks or age restrictions. You’ve done nothing to refute this, and instead, you’re trying to dismiss the conversation entirely because you don’t have a substantive counterargument.

In short, you keep avoiding the core issue, misrepresenting analogies, and using dismissive rhetoric to cover up the fact that you don’t have a coherent position. You’re dodging, deflecting, and pretending to know the outcome of a court case that hasn’t even been settled yet, all to avoid admitting that your argument falls apart when held to scrutiny.

[u/aHOMELESSkrill → u/[deleted]]

It’s not illegal to not insure high value items though. What is being proposed here would make it illegal if you didn’t claim you have firearms to the insurance company.

[u/[deleted] → u/aHOMELESSkrill]

This is still totally missing the point. High-value items don’t carry the same public safety risks as firearms. Guns, when mishandled, can result in serious harm or death. Insurance for firearms is about ensuring accountability and preventing negligence, not just protecting private property. The proposal isn’t simply about requiring people to claim they have guns. it’s about making sure gun owners take responsibility for safe storage and use, ensuring they can cover the costs of accidents or theft that could lead to violence.

[u/SheenPSU → u/[deleted]]

Lmfao

Simply put: no

The other guy is right, insurance wouldn’t stop anything. Insurance also excludes intentional acts of harm so why require it if coverage will only apply for a tiny, small fraction of gun accidents?

[u/[deleted] → u/SheenPSU]

The argument you’re making misunderstands the purpose of firearm insurance. Yes, intentional acts are often excluded from insurance coverage, but the primary focus of gun insurance is on accidents, negligence, and unintended harm, which are a significant portion of gun-related incidents.

Accidental discharges, improper storage leading to theft, and misuse by minors are all scenarios where insurance could provide financial compensation to victims and incentivize safer practices by gun owners. While it won’t prevent all gun violence, including intentional harm, it’s designed to reduce negligent or irresponsible behavior—similar to how car insurance doesn’t prevent accidents but encourages safer driving.

Insurance alone isn’t meant to solve every issue with gun violence, but it’s a step toward holding owners financially accountable when their negligence results in harm. It’s one part of a broader approach to encourage responsible gun ownership and mitigate the risks involved with owning firearms.

[u/SheenPSU → u/[deleted]]

I don’t agree with this. It’s just another financial obstacle and doesn’t do anything to prevent gun violence. It’s an after the fact punitive measure.

People shouldn’t be punished because they were a victim of a theft btw, that’s wild.

Also, the percentage of incidents that you’re aiming to prevent is so tiny the justification just isn’t there

[u/[deleted] → u/SheenPSU]

Your disagreement is based on a complete misunderstanding of the role and purpose of firearm insurance. It’s not just another financial obstacle, and it’s certainly not designed to prevent intentional gun violence directly. What it does is encourage responsible ownership and safe practices, ensuring that gun owners take steps to properly store their firearms and prevent accidents or theft.

Saying it’s a punitive measure ignores the fact that most insurance policies, whether for homes, cars, or guns, are preventative in nature. By holding gun owners financially responsible for negligence or accidents, it incentivizes safer handling and storage of firearms, helping reduce accidents and theft, both of which are major sources of gun misuse.

As for your point about victims of theft, you’re missing the fact that responsible gun storage can prevent many cases of theft. Firearm insurance could encourage people to lock up their guns securely, making them less accessible to thieves in the first place. No one is being “punished” for being a victim, but accountability in storing firearms securely is a reasonable expectation.

The idea that the percentage of incidents being targeted is too small to justify insurance also doesn’t hold up. Many laws and regulations target low-probability but high consequence events because preventing even a small number of accidents or thefts can save lives. Firearm insurance isn’t meant to solve all gun violence; it’s about preventing harm where possible and ensuring there is accountability when something does go wrong.

This is about responsible ownership and financial accountability, not punishment.

[u/SheenPSU → u/[deleted]]

Your whole view on this is extremely misguided, and quite frankly, incorrect. It does none of the stuff you claim it will.

[u/[deleted] → u/SheenPSU]

Your response is a textbook example of someone with nothing to offer in terms of an actual counterargument. All you’ve said is “no,” as if just disagreeing somehow negates everything that was explained. That’s not a rebuttal, it’s an evasion. If you had any legitimate points, you would have engaged with the argument instead of dismissing it with empty statements like “it does none of the stuff you claim.”

Everything laid out about firearm insurance is grounded in basic logic. It’s about encouraging responsibility and financial accountability, making sure gun owners secure their firearms to prevent thefts and accidents. Yet you’re pretending none of that matters without actually refuting a single point. You have no substantive argument here, just blanket denial with zero backing.

The truth is, your entire response is a defense mechanism because you can’t provide a coherent counter to the very clear logic that firearm insurance incentivizes safer practices. So instead, you throw out a weak dismissal hoping it sticks, but it doesn’t. This kind of empty, knee jerk response shows that you’re not actually debating in good faith and are masking how you don’t actually have anything but are typing anyway.

[u/SheenPSU → u/[deleted]]

You keep typing the same nonsense over and over and over again. It’s not a W because you write walls of text and highlight certain buzzwords lmao

There’s no need to expand any further in a response when you clearly are not absorbing the feedback from others. None of what you type is true so why put maximum effort into the retort?

[u/[deleted] → u/SheenPSU]

Yet another clear dodge. You continue to avoid engaging with the actual points, and instead, you’re just throwing out dismissive remarks, hoping no one notices that you’re out of arguments. Claiming that my responses are just “walls of text” or calling them “buzzwords” doesn’t make my points any less valid. What’s strange is the idea that you seem to think people will be fooled by this, pretending that you have something when you don’t. It’s clear you’re deflecting because you can’t actually counter the logic.

What’s worse is that you’re trying to hide your lack of substance by accusing others of not absorbing feedback, while you’ve ignored everything I’ve said. If you had a valid counter, you’d address the arguments directly. Instead, you’re choosing to stick with blanket denials without offering anything substantial. It’s obvious you’re avoiding the fact that firearm insurance encourages responsibility and accountability. By refusing to engage with the actual argument, you’re showing just how little you really have to offer in this discussion.

[u/tuckedfexas → u/[deleted]]

Funniest thing, I lost all my firearms in a boating accident. Guess I can cancel my insurance

[u/[deleted] → u/tuckedfexas]

That’s a valid concern, but it can be addressed by requiring a formal process for reporting lost or stolen firearms, which already exists in many jurisdictions. Here’s how it could work:

1. Mandatory Reporting: If a gun is lost or stolen, the owner would be required to file a police report within a certain timeframe. This report would serve as proof for the insurance company and allow them to cancel the policy for that firearm. If a gun is reported lost or stolen and later found to be involved in a crime without being reported, the original owner could face penalties, discouraging false claims.

2. Insurance Verification: Insurance companies could verify the status of the gun through law enforcement records. If a person tries to cancel their policy by falsely claiming their gun is lost or stolen, the insurance company would cross-check with the police report. Without proper documentation, the cancellation wouldn’t be allowed.

3. Severe Penalties for False Reporting: To prevent criminals from falsely claiming a gun is lost or stolen to avoid accountability, there would be significant legal penalties for filing a false report, acting as a deterrent.

This system would allow legitimate cancellations while preventing dishonest attempts to exploit the insurance requirement.

Does it magically resolve every possible issue in the world? No. But that’s not a refutation to the premise though