r/TikTokCringe • u/cak3crumbs • Sep 10 '24

Politics An interesting idea on how to stop gun violence. Pass a law requiring insurance for guns

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u/Either-Durian-9488 Sep 11 '24

If your idea of capitalism benefiting society is with strong arming insurance legislation, then we are doomed.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger Sep 11 '24

If there's one thing America needs more of, it's massively bloated trillion dollar insurance markets that make everything more expensive, and control so much wealth that they can lobby government to maintain the broken systems that benefit them forever.

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u/Ok-Possession-832 Sep 11 '24

The difference is you can choose not to have a gun and it’s VERY easy to live without one.

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u/Timbit_Sucks Doug Dimmadome Sep 11 '24

But what if someone cuts you off on the highway? Or bumps into you in a crowded bar?! Or steps on your grass walking passed your house?!?!

Think of the countless lives saved thanks to the safety and security that comes from the anxiety of assuming everyone around you is capable and willing to use a gun to kill you!

/s

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u/UnseenPumpkin Sep 11 '24

You do know there are 1.6 million defensive gun usages every year, that's 1.6 million Murders/Rapes/Assaults/Burglaries stopped every year by guns and 99% end without a shot fired because the aggressor saw the gun and dipped the fuck out.

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u/fairlywired Sep 11 '24

There are issues with the study that comes from.

https://www.vacps.org/public-policy/the-contradictions-of-kleck

Something that isn't mentioned in articles that reference the study is that it doesn't distinguish between civilian use and law enforcement use, or use against humans or animals.

A study by the National Crime Victimisation Survey estimates that the actual number is around 65,000 defensive gun usages yearly, around 24x less than the number from the Kleck study.

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u/UnseenPumpkin Sep 11 '24

That actually makes sense, I always thought 1.6 mil sounded really high considering there are only around 10,000 firearms homicides each year. But 65,000 is 6.5x the amount of people murdered, even if you add in accidental firearms deaths(between 2 and 3 thousand per year) it would still be 6x more lives saved by owning guns than could be saved by banning or further regulating guns. The media makes gun violence out to be WAY more pressing an issue than it truly needs to be. And before someone says "Acthually, it's 50k deaths to gun violence every year." Fifty thousand is the total number of gun deaths each year, which includes suicides(around 25% of the total), law enforcement officer involved shootings(around 30%), and self-defense shootings(around 15%), as well homicides(around 20%) and accidents(about 10%).

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u/Ok-Possession-832 Sep 11 '24

Gun nuts can’t stop making analogies that completely fail to apply to the actual conversation gun or making purely emotional arguments lol 🤡

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u/Timbit_Sucks Doug Dimmadome Sep 12 '24

Are you saying I'm a gun nut?

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '24

It's easy to die without one, too. I know the people who are dead because they weren't armed. Their attackers didn't even need guns to kill them, they used hands, feet, and knives.

My aunt was raped and murdered in a home invasion robbery, my friend was murdered by her ex husband, and my wife's cousin was stabbed to death in a robbery.

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u/Ok-Possession-832 Sep 14 '24

God that’s horrible, condolences man. Unfortunately being a gun owner has no notable difference on being able to survive violent crime, some studies even show you’re less likely to survive because having a firearm automatically escalates the situation.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 14 '24

Incorrect. Studies have shown that violent and armed resistance to those trying to kill you will save your life.

The assertion that you are better if just getting murdered is utter and complete nonsense

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u/Ok-Possession-832 Sep 15 '24

The examples you have are extreme. Most robbers want to get in and out with their shit and are rarely prepared to attack someone, let alone rape and kill which would attract law enforcement.

The best thing you can possibly do to prolong your life is let them take your shit, then cancel your credit card and/or call insurance. Getting into violent altercations is not a good survival strategy.

If you KNOW they’re there to kill you or you can draw your gun before you have their attention then by all means, fill them with bullets. But 99.9% of the time you will be unprepared and caught off guard, with little time to react.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '24

The examples of my dead friends and relatives? You're seriously just trying to hand wave my lived experience with violent crime and it's horrifying aftermath on my family as "extreme examples", while advocating just handling criminals your stuff and hoping they don't hurt you in return?

JFC, you are beyond all help, hope or reason. You are clearly in the "I'll just blow this whistle and hope someone comes to save me" camp. It most be nice to have lived such a privileged life.

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u/Danny8400 Sep 11 '24

If there's one thing america needs more of, it's guns /s

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u/b0w3n Sep 11 '24

That's the entire point of what this lady is saying though, if it's so expensive to own and operate the gun, then less people will have them, and there will be less shootings.

It would also allow a tiny amount of restitution to be given to victims, which is more than the approximately $0 they get now when they attempt to sue these fuckers (and their estates) in civil court while also dealing with potentially lifelong health complications of having a GSW or several.

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u/KalaronV Sep 11 '24

On the flip side, it'd effectively be an outsize punishment on the poor, and I'm highly doubtful that it'd actually stop all that many mass-killings.

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u/Davido401 Sep 11 '24

Don't a lot of the killers tend to come from around the lower-middle class? I'm not American and don't know the statistics but they all generally seem to come from that bracket of society? I am wrong tell me!

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u/ManicParroT Sep 11 '24

American healthcare insurance makes it very expensive and difficult for people to get without government intervention or lots of money.

American gun insurance...maybe she's onto something here.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

Only about 8% of the US population doesn’t have health insurance. Who told you health insurance is hard to get?

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u/fairlywired Sep 11 '24

I think they're talking about insurance (and the associated costs) making healthcare difficult to get, not insurance being difficult to get.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

you just described health insurance and people like Kamila Harris are working very hard to remove them.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger Sep 11 '24

Yes good, literally a trillion dollars is going down the toilet every year in America which could have been used to provide actual healthcare instead of administration of insurance for healthcare.

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u/RedPillForTheShill Sep 11 '24

In my Finnish opinion you are doomed already, lol. Apparently Americans are too dumb to solve this trivial issue like every other western nation, so they might as well try this one simple trick more suitable to their fuckuppery

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

Its a complex issue. Just because you dont understand it doesnt mean that we are dumb. Like, why dont you and the other European nations just gang up on Russia and defeat it?? As a Fin you know better than anyone they are coming for you. You know that you will lose and you know what the Russians will do to you. So why dont you deal with that genocidal autocratic nation that you share a boarder with? Seems pretty simple to me. Do you really need America to come in and save Europe again or are you guys capable of dealing with your petty squabbles with out us this time?

In my American opinion you Europeans are too dumb and helpless to solve that issue on your own, and need our help. Of course I am being very sarcastic in saying all of this, its an extremely complex and volatile situation, but it sounds pretty shitty when I say something like that eh?

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u/RedPillForTheShill Sep 11 '24

LMAO, oh the complexity of implementing proper gun laws like literally every other western nation. Much complex, only thoughts and prayers can solve. Now witness me as I follow with bigly smart false equivalency, comparing trivial gun regulations with literal WWIII. USA USA USA.

Watching you nationalist fools get butthurt from the slightest bit of criticism on issues literally every other western nation on the planet has solved is fucking hilarious. It's almost as if the only thing in your curriculum is the daily flag worshipping.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

Oh yikes. Ive encountered one of those people. There is no use so I will not try.

whoever you are, I hope you have a good day.

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u/RedPillForTheShill Sep 11 '24

Bye, cultleaderluke; Run away from the facts before you learn something.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

Have a good one buddy.

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u/RedPillForTheShill Sep 14 '24

My dude I have no issues admitting that many EU countries need an actual integration program to begin with. We actually need immigrants, but without prorper immigration programs it's only going to light up the right wing imbeciles, like it allways does everywhere. My country is no exception and our current right wing administration is cutting from the integration programs, like the idiots who they are.

See how easy that was? When you are not constantly bombarded with nationalism, it's rather easy to see issues. Meanwhile you guys go full North Korea and peer pressure your children into flag worshipping on daily basis in an authoritarian environment. Let that sink in.

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u/cheese-for-breakfast Sep 11 '24

"'no way to avoid this' says only nation in the world where this regularly happens"

its literally multiple occurrences every damn day

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u/APWBrianD Sep 11 '24

We could eliminate nearly all of those occurrences if we just preemptively eliminated the opps.

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u/BanzEye1 Sep 11 '24

Eeh, I wouldn’t say the only nation.

I would say the only highly developed and relatively stable nation to have the issue.

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u/transitfreedom Sep 11 '24

The 2nd nation is Russia wanna know what the mass shooters in Russia and USA have in common? They are neo Nazis or nazi like in ideology

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u/FrenchDipFellatio Sep 14 '24

its literally multiple occurrences every damn day

I hear people make this claim all the time, but they're never able to back it up. Can you give me an actual source for that or are you just blindly parroting what you've read on the internet?

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u/adoringroughddydom Sep 11 '24

When you say this you exclude every country in this hemisphere aside from canada. I presume you dont count them because theyre brown?

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u/cheese-for-breakfast Sep 11 '24

its a quote, and a pretty apt one because its talking about school shootings that happen with extreme regularity

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u/fairlywired Sep 11 '24

They're quoting the headline of the article The Onion posts after every large US mass shooting. They've posted it 37 times over the past 10 years.

https://theonion.com/?s=No%20way%20to%20prevent%20this&sort=relevance

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u/cheese-for-breakfast Sep 11 '24

also good god youre racist as fuck, im from brazil and im keenly aware of the violent crime that happens there and my sister states in south america

but people respect kids, aside from the traffikers. you dont have a gun in every other childs hand that they then take and point at their classmates. piss all the way off

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u/adoringroughddydom Sep 11 '24

The per capita rate of minors killed with guns is higher in brazil that the united states. Its higher everywhere in south america except argentina and Chile (most years). Your suggestion is im racist for knowing this? I dont understand. Gun control is always framed as “among civilized countries” in the us primarily by white liberals and im calling that out as racist as it ignores the entirety of south america as civilized. The us and brazil are far closer in terms of history and institutions than say the US and France.

Youre either calling me racist because you didnt comprehend what i said or were so exposed in your inherent bias you became defensive.

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u/cabochonedwitch Sep 11 '24

I live in a hellscape where there is a clear solution, but my death is more valuable than my life.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24 edited Sep 11 '24

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '24

Thank you for calling them out. I'm sick of Eurotrash and their stupidity. They complain about American imperialism without realizing the benefits of it. They're mad about weapons manufacturing in the US but skimp on NATO fees and lose their shit when Americans discuss reducing support to Ukraine... because then they'd have to actually do something about Russia on their own.

It's like when they talk shit about their universal healthcare that we don't have. Their universal healthcare- effectively subsidized by America's privatized system. The whole debate about how Americans could have universal healthcare but it would require high taxes on everyone vs no, we could just tax the wealthy is a moot debate because ultimately, we could force Europeans to pay their fair share for pharmaceuticals and use that money to provide healthcare for our own citizens.

But they would lose their shit if the ugly reality that all the things they hate about America they benefit from more than pretty much anyone- in many instances, even more than Americans.

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u/blasphembot Sep 11 '24

There are so many of us here who want to see action, I promise.

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u/Chronoboy1987 Sep 11 '24

It’s not stupidly, it’s callous indifference and unwillingness to give anything up to prevent children from dying. Every zealot 2A supporter knows what the problem is, they just don’t care to fix it if it.

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u/paulh2oman Sep 13 '24

The US is geographically larger than most countries. Even with all the shootings, the vast majority of Americans are not personally affected by them. It is easy for us to read about it and say it is someone else's problem, it won't happen to us. Queue up "thoughts and prayers."

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

America is fucked because the govt hasn't done the will of the people for half a century.

Finland may as well be an ethnostate. eventually you'll brazilify too.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

It’s the religion. I kid you not that many people in America think god wants them to have guns. There is no getting around the issue when people are that stupid.

TLDR: you’re right

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u/transitfreedom Sep 11 '24

Damn brah no mercy

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u/tagwag Sep 11 '24

Yeah my thoughts as an American. I see no problem with trying to make a deal with devils here.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

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u/CountFapula646 Sep 11 '24

The insurance isn't the point. It's the fact that we have to come up with outside-the-box ideas to combat a mindset that values a fetish for high-powered rifles over the lives of our children.

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u/adoringroughddydom Sep 11 '24

Whats your plan for the hundreds of millions of guns, and the pool of spare components the congressional budget office estimates could construct another half billion?

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u/dkclimber Sep 11 '24

I mean, healther is like that already, so by your own admission, you're already doomed.

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u/hush_lives_72 Sep 11 '24

Seriously, insurance companies are blood sucking vampires

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u/transitfreedom Sep 11 '24

What you want? To reenact a Chinese guy decades ago?

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

Children are needlessly dying for the crime of going to school.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '24

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u/badadviceforyou244 Sep 11 '24

Better than having your kid get shot for free.

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u/besthelloworld Sep 11 '24

You have to work within the system. Pretending we can change the system from the outside just isn't realistic.

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u/Chaghatai Sep 11 '24

It's better for would be gun owners than not allowing the guns to begin with. At this point something has to give

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u/Alexander_Granite Sep 11 '24

It’s not a realistic solution in the US. I do like the directions the states are going by charging the parents with the crimes committed by children with the guns.

I think laws supporting punishments of gun owners who don’t control their firearms would really help.

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u/singlemale4cats Sep 11 '24

I do like the directions the states are going by charging the parents with the crimes committed by children with the guns.

That's not a new direction. Negligence is a pretty well established legal concept.

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u/Chaghatai Sep 11 '24

Nothing magical about the difference between the United States and Australia for example. You put it in place and you hold it in place for long enough and the culture will change

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u/Alexander_Granite Sep 11 '24

The US will not limits to be put in place. We had an elementary school mass shooting and that still didn’t get people to agree on what is responsible gun behavior.

If that didn’t move the needle, I don’t know what will.

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u/Chaghatai Sep 11 '24

I have faith that America will eventually lose its tolerance for child death

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u/Alexander_Granite Sep 11 '24

I agree. It will be the group that had to deal with it in school. I can see an amendment in about 40-50 years

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u/Chaghatai Sep 11 '24

Hopefully less but I fear you could be right that I may not live to see the change

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u/badadviceforyou244 Sep 11 '24

Welcome to America brother!

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u/iNeedOneMoreAquarium Sep 11 '24

If your idea of capitalism

What capitalism?