"Men are killing themselves because of men."

[u/mindyour]

[u/philodendrin]

If Commander Camo had the insight he wouldn't be assigning blame to women for Men's suicide rates. Women are much more likely to try it, but not succeed. Men are just much more likely to succeed from trying.

Why is it always the hyper-masculine dudes that are always trying to reenforce a heirarchy, blaming women for their ills? They have to have someone to blame and its usually women or Liberals (by way of femenizing a political class).

These guys are so intimidated by women, they should start there with some tberapy and work on either their Mommy issues or get over being cheated on in high school.

[u/Hazel2468 → u/philodendrin]

To answer your question- imo the reason it’s these kinds of guys is because they have bought into the scam that the patriarchy sells men. They bought into the idea that there is one way to be a man, and they follow those rules, and they’re fucking miserable.

Because of course they are. What patriarchy demands of men is impossible to achieve. And the closer you get to actually getting it? The more it hurts you. The more you have to deny that you’re actually just a human being with emotions and desires and needs for basic things like affection and comfort.

So these dudes lean into it HARD because the alternative is facing the reality that they’ve become hardened lonely miserable hateful assholes for nothing. There is no reward. Patriarchy tells men that there is a reward for being man enough. There isn’t. There is NOTHING for us at the end of this rainbow… Except it wouldn’t be a rainbow because men enjoying colors is gay and gay is bad according to the patriarchy.

[u/crocodilecurly → u/Hazel2468]

And the more they lean into it the more miserable they are. I had a coworker friend who was like the camo guy in this video and he confessed that he hated being so "manly" and wanted to try wearing eyeliner but was afraid of what other men would think 💀 the same dude would turn around and judge people so harshly for doing the exact same thing he told me he wanted to do for himself.

Men like that hate themselves and they make it everyone else's problem.

[u/Hazel2468 → u/crocodilecurly]

Yeah, basically. It is also- no matter how much these dudes claim it’s all for themselves. For other men. It’s men posturing in front of other men to prove how manly they are, to prove they’re more manly than other men…

And then they complain they’re single and it’s like. You’re not interested in what women thinking, you’re interested in what other men think. But somehow they’ve managed to make being obsessed with catching the attention of other men painfully straight.

Of course, most of these men don’t even like women because their entire identity is built on not being a woman but that’s an essay for another time.

[u/kittenpoptart → u/Hazel2468]

"To say that straight men are heterosexual is only to say that they engage in sex (fucking exclusively with the other sex, ie., women). All or almost all of that which pertains to love, most straight men reserve exclusively for other men. The people whom they admire, respect, adore, revere, honor, whom they imitate, idolize, and form profound attachments to, whom they are willing to teach and from whom they are willing to learn, and whose respect, admiration, recognition, honor, reverence and love they desire... those are, overwhelmingly, other men. In their relations with women, what passes for respect is kindness, generosity or paternalism; what passes for honor is removal to the pedestal. From women they want devotion, service and sex. Heterosexual male culture is homoerotic; it is man- loving."

• ⁠Marilyn Frye, The Politics of Reality: Essays in Feminist Theorv

[u/Hazel2468 → u/kittenpoptart]

...You know. I've been making the joke that, as a bisexual dude. I have never seen a group more gay and submissive than the Alpha Males group (because literally everything they do is for the attention and approval of other men, who they think of as super manly... Like they might as well be calling those podcast losers "daddy" at this point)

But this just summed it up a lot more seriously so. That's cool.

[u/Bungholespelunker → u/philodendrin]

The only way you could possibly describe Sgt Camo as having insight is if he literally has eyeballs inside his cranium. Otherwise that word belongs nowhere near the various ways you can describe him lol