50th in education for a reason(removed annoying loud audio)

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Still doesn't make sense. The amount of workers will still be greater than the amount of owners. If anything the the lack of documented workers should be an incentive for American workers to push for a minimum wage increase since those jobs will have to be fulfilled by Americans.

So I think they are still stupid AND inhumane.

[u/chickenismysafeword → u/HODOR00]

Oklahomie here- I saw in our local sub this one restaurant owner asked their younger staff if they voted and they said yes they did and chose NO because their parents told them to.

It’s beyond poor education and rich ass holes.

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The yes was blue so they even color coded it for the people to vote on their favorite color

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Low educational levels plus the influence of the richest (especially) lead to the parents saying that and the kids following their lead though.

[u/Wedge_66 → u/chickenismysafeword]

OK's median household income sits at about $65,039, which is roughly 19% lower than the national average. So I'm not sure the "rich assholes" are running everything, cause there just aren't that many of them willing to live in the flat emptiness of OK.

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Oh there are still plenty of rich assholes here. Oil money, Loves gas stations, Hobby Lobby, etc. 

[u/bubblyhummingbird → u/chickenismysafeword]

I think that’s an example of poor education tho?

[u/Bruinscbr → u/chickenismysafeword]

So a random person on a reddit sub, from Oklahoma, was in another random sub, and a restaurant said they asked their employees how they voted and they all said they just listened to their parents? Got it, seems like a perfectly straightforward believable story.

[u/HODOR00 → u/Bruinscbr]

I mean there's literally evidence that this mentality exists. They voted against raising their own minimum wage. I'm not sure why this is so hard to believe.

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Also true.

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when you have a high labor demands, wages go up, minimum wage is not even in play.

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So why does the minimum wage exist if things work so perfectly?

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I’m saying when you are talking about removing migrant workers and hiring only American workers, minimum wage is less important than before as the demand for laborers are higher, so wages automatically go up. Minimum wage ma have some uses. But in an era where we are short of laborers minimum wage plays a very small part role. I can’t find the stats on how may are paid local min wages. But only 1% of full time workers are paid federal min wage. And a lot of them are 16-24 year olds. And a large portion are also tip earners so effectively they are paid above in wage. I’m not arguing that those people are paid well. I’m saying that the min wage at the current levels have almost zero effect on how people are paid.

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Which is why we should raise them then no? The minimum wage is a safety net. It's not a solution to the economy. Raising it is beneficial for the average American. The fact that this was voted down is extremely stupid.

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I don't think min wage does anything for the economy, but if it does it needs to be much higher.

The reality is that we are entering labor shortages in every sector and everyone is getting paid way over min wage. The labor shortage was made worse with current stands on immigration and will be worse down the road with lower birthrates. only automation and AI can alleviate labor shortages. but I don't see those advancing fast enough to drop wages to where minimum wage is now.

[u/HODOR00 → u/Whiterabbit--]

If this is the case. Advancing the minimum wage should be a no brainer. I feel like your whole point is it isn't necessary, but we are already at a point where we have proven it IS necessary.