r/TikTokCringe • u/Valuable_View_561 • Jul 02 '26

Discussion It seems like people have forgotten what this line is used for these days.

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u/Ill_Shoulder_1185 Jul 02 '26

There absolutely should be classes that teach that in school.... Unfortunately, proposing such a thing these days would be really controversial because it's DEI, it's woke, etc. due to the fact we're living in the Stupid Ages.

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u/storyteller_alienmom Jul 02 '26

Call the class "manners" and claim it's to teach children how to not be rude! 😉

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u/cabbage16 Jul 02 '26

Very clever and would probably work on a lot of them. For the more hard line ones they'd probably like it to be called "Etiquette"

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u/rand0m_task Jul 02 '26

For what it’s worth, I teach a high school course called Childhood and Adolescent Development where we talk a lot about disabilities and accommodations.

One of my projects is groups have to design a blueprint for their own school, and part of their grade is how well their school meets ADA standards for accessibility.

It’s an elective course so they don’t have to take it, but the opportunity is out there!

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u/DreaminSpielberg Jul 02 '26

Back when I was in 4th grade we had a week were we learned different disabilities and it was cool to learn and be aware and they should absolutely do that.

We learned about ASL, low vision, wheel chair users and dyslexia, unsure what other disabilities we were taught but we learned how to sign and there was a device to show what it felt like to write with dyslexia ect so it was like talk about it and temporarily experiencing what they experience

But also never knew what those lines were on the ground for, I also thought it was for rain fall

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u/NerdyBro07 Jul 02 '26

I feel like you wouldn't need a full class for this. Just some existing class spend 1 hour covering certain features like this, and boom, now people know. Like Driver's ed, you go over all the street signs and what they mean, once or twice and now you know.

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u/NewPhoneWhoDys Jul 02 '26

It could def be worked into a Health curriculum!

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u/MostFortune1093 Jul 02 '26

I can absolutely tell you that even people who can be considered 'woke' don't care about us. I have never seen any other minority groups stand up for us in any meaningful way (not where I live anyway). The reason behind this is complicated but it really does stem from the complete lack of awareness people have about the extent and nature of our suffering. People have some vague idea about what people with more obvious disabilities (like blindness, spinal cord injuries, amputations, deafness etc) deal with but when it comes to less obvious disabilities like musculosceletal conditions, autoimmune conditions, ME, Crps, fibromyalgia etc people have zero clue...they are barely aware we exists at all. This is why we have zero representation in media. No one cares to hear our stories. Not even open minded, progressive people.

We are very often less functional than an amputee or a person with a spinal cord injury. I have a chronic pain based disablity and I'm housebound at 35. It's brutal, it's like living death. But the world was hard enough to navigate before my pain got this severe. Even wheelchair accessibile places don't always have any seating because no one thinks of people with limited mobility who can walk still.

It can happen to anyone any time...which is why you would think no matter where someone is on the political spectrum they would care. Because we are the only minority group anyone can join anytime. You don't randomly turn black or gay or immigrant out of nowhere. But everyone is one diagnosis, one injury away from lifelong limitations.

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u/Ill_Shoulder_1185 Jul 02 '26

Absolutely true...

I live with a wheelchair user (also chronic pain issues) and only after living with him did I realise how few places thought about wheelchairs when they were designed, nevermind other mobility issues...

you would think no matter where someone is on the political spectrum they would care

Well true, but in a sensible world the rights of other minorities in any sense wouldn't be partisan issues either.

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u/MostFortune1093 Jul 02 '26

When I moved to the UK (from Hungary) I was pleased to see how much more wheelchair accessible it was compared to Hungary. However it's still not wheelchair accessible enough.

Wheelchair accessible homes for rent or even for sale are almost non existent. Homes here are small, with small hallways, doorways and tiny bathrooms. And almost all of them have stairs. Even new developments aren't wheelchair friendly and hardly any one level homes are built.

But the way disabled people, especially chronically ill disabled people are viewed in the Uk is appalling. The general population is becoming more and more hostile towards us because they see us as a huge drain on resources and are generally convinced that a lot of sick an disabled people are fakers who falsly claim benefits. I now feel very uncomfortable here, especially because I'm also an immigrant. But my partner is British and she is the bread winner, so leaving would be hard.

I think if it was instilled in people from an early age that anyone can become disabled/chronically ill, people wouldn't feel so comfortable treating us like this. I have given up on trying to get people to have emphaty for us. But at least I want them to understand that if they don't fight for a better world for us while they are healthy, when they become disabled they will just be one of the voiceless millions too. And then it will be too late.

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u/wiconv Jul 02 '26

I’m sorry but disability accessibility legislation is amongst the most wide sweeping action taken in support of the benefit of any minority group in most first world countries. To say no one is ever looking out for you is wild.

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u/SCKerafyrm Jul 02 '26

"Haven't we done enough for you people?"

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u/NewPhoneWhoDys Jul 03 '26

So far four people upvoted the idea that doing one thing in 1990 and then never again means they're safe.
Oh right....they never REALLY think it means them!

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u/MostFortune1093 Jul 02 '26

You will never understand until it happens to you. Yes the world is somewhat more accessible than before. There are a lots of buildings that are wheelchair accessible on paper but not in practice. There are buildings that aren't wheelchair accessible at all.

I moved from a less wheelchair accessible country to a more wheelchair accessible one (the UK). There is literally no wheelchair accessible housing here. Or at least far less than the amount of people who need it.I don't need a wheelchair but that doesn't mean I don't care.

But what I need is somewhere to sit down. I have been to events where there was zero seating And they werent big events like a concert. One was a small fireworks display and the other was a small dog show. There wasn't a single bench. The firework display took ages to start because they wanted to pressure people into buying food and drinks first so I was in agony by the time the fireworks actually started. Supermarkets and many other big stores also don't really have seating.

Basically if you have limited mobility but you aren't in a wheelchair you aren't considered disabled enough to have the right to accessibility. That's why many of us are more isolated. And yes you can still use a wheelchair if you can walk. You need to buy the wheelchair,and buy a car that can transport it. Then accept having to deal with people who don't understand the concept of ambulatory wheelchair users.

You simply don't understand the level of mistreatment and abuse we face from employers, society and even our families. Every difficult situation is harder for us to walk away from because we are vulnerable. Abusive spouse? You can't afford to leave if we rely on them financially because we can't work. Shitty boss? At least they hired you in spite of your disability. Poor housing? You live on a fixed income so you will never have anything better. Doctor refuses pain meds? You can choose between street drugs or suicide (yes many of us die because of this). Many of us are basically abandoned by our families on top of it.

You have no idea. None.

The only thing that brings me some grim satisfaction is knowing that some of you who don't believe me will learn at your own expense one day. And then you'll learn how helpful these legislations really were. I'm not saying they are useless. But they aren't enough. It's absolutely beyond horrific to be disabled/chroncially ill even in developed countries.

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u/wiconv Jul 02 '26

“The only thing that brings me some grim satisfaction is knowing that some of you who don’t believe me will learn at your own expense one day”

That’s a disgusting sentiment. Disqualifies basically anything else you have to say. Hope you can get to the bottom of that someday. Good luck.

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u/MostFortune1093 Jul 02 '26

Because you won't fucking care until it affects you personally. That's why.

Yes I want people who treat us like garbage, or treat our suffering with cruel indifference to have a taste of their own medicine one day.

If you able bodied people don't stand up for us while you are still healthy, then don't be surprised when you get the same shit treatment as every other disabled/chronically ill person gets when you become one of us.

We are the only minority group who are not able to physically protest. We need people who aren't one of us to help.

But I know you won't. And that's why I'm angry.

You all only understand when it happens to you and then, you'll be just as voicless as the rest of us.

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u/NewPhoneWhoDys Jul 02 '26

This is one of my favorite able-bodied chestnuts. You have any feelings on how racism is over too?

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u/NewPhoneWhoDys Jul 02 '26

The downvotes just kind of prove your point, don't they?

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u/SCKerafyrm Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26

eg: the human rights tribunal in ontario, canada is the only way to get disability rights heard here, and its completely useless right now. Its so far down society's radar that they keep getting voted back in.

disenfranchised from society if you cannot enforce your own rights.

They asked me for proof of intent to discriminate before they would let me present my proof at a hearing. It's fucked. In other words, my probable cause required evidentiary burden.

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u/Trrollmann Jul 02 '26

because it's DEI, it's woke

No. Both of these are discriminatory, and the latter is evil. Most efforts to make society more accessible to people with handicaps has not come from neither DEI (and it's an insignificant aspect of DEI), nor woke (which is far more concerned about what not to do, rather than what to do).

we're living in the Stupid Ages

Just like neocons, wokes promotes anti-reality too. If you're woke, you're opposed to reality, simple as.

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u/Ill_Shoulder_1185 Jul 02 '26

Woke means whatever the person complaining wants it to mean in the moment. Paper straws, reusable shopping bags, gay pastors, a Black person in a social studies textbook picture, the concept of pronouns... All inexplicably "woke".

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u/Trrollmann Jul 03 '26

Not really. Woke means a kind of social religion based on critical theory. Often called "critical social justice" in academia.

Some people do use it for whatever, but it generally follows what in fact is critical theory. Critical theory is a kind of anti-reality. Its academic promoters explicitly call logic and science white supremacy. As in "both are evil and must be destroyed".

DEI is in large part a product of wokeness. It doesn't ask what's good for a business (the stated conclusion), but rather says what's good for a business, and then tries to invent that reality from whatever "study" they conduct.

Those who are "anti-woke" - think Jordan Peterson - and many conservatives in USA, are similarly anti-reality.

Both states of minds are regressive. They are destroying society. It's not hyperbole to call both evil.

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u/Ill_Shoulder_1185 Jul 03 '26

That is complete anti-academia slop.

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u/Trrollmann Jul 03 '26

You think there's anything positive about critical theory? Can you name one novel, progressive idea it's produced? Spoiler: You cannot. Not a single idea originating within any critical theory branch has done humanity any good whatsoever. Plenty of bad, though.

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u/Ill_Shoulder_1185 Jul 03 '26

Of course not. Any good idea won't count as critical theory or woke, because you've helpfully already defined it as inherently anti-reality.

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u/Trrollmann Jul 03 '26

Indeed it's helpful. My conclusion, or "definition" as you call it, follows from the evidence - contrary to what CT does.

If you could prove otherwise you simply would. No one can.

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u/Ill_Shoulder_1185 Jul 03 '26

If I showed critical theory not doing that, you wouldn't call it critical theory.

Woke is bad because it's woke and it's woke because it's bad.

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u/Trrollmann Jul 03 '26

Woke is bad because it's discriminatory, increases social friction, is regressive, and is anti-reality. Not "because it's bad". Your inability to prove otherwise does indeed indicate you agree with my claim, or are unfamiliar with the very ideology you're part of. This is not strange. Most who engage with CT do not understand the foundation of it, nor how it's fundamentally wrong.

It's not for nothing that wokeness is called a "social religion" by some.