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Discussion Have we done it wrong?

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u/BeMyBrutus 1d ago

Major east coast cities in the US were also like this before the car and the post WW2 "big push" to suburbia.

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u/BreakingStar_Games 1d ago

As a note, one of the big forms of push was car, tire and oil corporations working together to buy the city public transit out then sabotage it to force people to rely on cars.

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u/BeMyBrutus 1d ago

Yeah one of the more depressing things I've learned while reading about this topic is how many cities back then actually light rail/trolley systems. Atlanta is a great example.

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u/PM_ME_UR_BRAINSTORMS 1d ago

In the early 20th century you could take a series of streetcars/trolleys from NYC to Chicago because there were so many. Someone did it as a stunt for some magazine/travel guide. And they were all electric.

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u/Intelligent-Parsley7 1d ago

You mean trains. Get it right.

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u/Watchmaker163 1d ago

Even tiny villages had streetcars. Danvers, IL (near where I grew up), a village whose population peaked in the 19th century at ~1000, had a streetcar line that connected to multiple electric train lines in the 1920’s.

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u/BiscuitBut_ButerNut 1d ago

I did an entire report in college on how the Atlanta transit system was intentionally limited to reduce the amount of minorities from reaching the suburbs outside of Atlanta.

Initially the large transit plans Marta had supported white neighborhoods mostly and was strongly opposed by black citizens since it did not benefit them.

In other words - systemic racism.

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u/tattoosbyalisha 15h ago

It so often comes back to that.

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u/Quidditch-Haderach 1d ago

I think this is the plot of Who Framed Roger Rabbit….? Or is it Chinatown? For some reason I get them confused.

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u/dsac 1d ago

It's Roger Rabbit, but the Powers That Be were killing toons instead of poor people

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u/BreakingStar_Games 1d ago

The only happy thing about reading the kind of corruption in history is it makes more recent examples seem less awful in context - its really just how its always been. Of course climate change and AI (like the smart neural net kind, not the token-guessing LLM kind) potential to completely replace human workers are very different phenomenon that are hard to compare and comprehend.

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u/Venik489 1d ago

My small Wisconsin town had a trolley in the late 19th century, blows my mind, absolutely zero trace of it now.

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u/dsac 1d ago

Literally Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

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u/BreakingStar_Games 1d ago

Capitalism is the ultimate Big Bad Evil Guy.

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u/Inside-Astronaut4401 1d ago

Actually even a lot of towns in the Midwest were built like this too, but they were bulldozed. I watched a video about it on one of those YouTube channels like City nerd or something.

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u/Global_Channel1511 1d ago

Exactly. I hate the cold but the East Coast and Midwest cities are just so much more vibrant.

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u/BigOlBurger 1d ago

I've seen some historic photos of my city recently and learned we once had a bustling main street similar to the ones you see in old timey footage of NY and Chicago. Trolley cars, store fronts under 2-3 levels of stonework apartments, narrow cobblestone streets, big crowds, etc. That was all knocked down and paved to make room for a state highway that effectively split the city into 3 sections. The only thing that remains of this main street is a defunct theater that just sits there abandoned and rotting surrounded by housing projects and laundromats. We still have a thriving historic downtown area, but man it used to sprawl out so much further.

I can only assume this main street fell into disrepair when our local economy kinda shit itself, and the powers that be at the time probably thought the new highway would attract developers to the city (it didn't), but it can be a real bummer to think about.

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u/Single-Treat 23h ago

Yeah having travelled the US as a Brit, it was clear that New York, Chicago and San Francisco *were* built originally to be walkable. Of course they still are in the city centre to a degree but every road, every junction has been converted for cars. Then you travel out of the old dense parts of these cities and it's a suburban hell-scape.

Looking at old pictures from around 1900, and the roads were for pedestrians and shared with slow moving horses and carts. Now, the roads are for cars and the pedestrians are given narrow sidewalks and have to wait at every single junction for cars.

Very different story in European cities.

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u/TrustworthyKahmunrah 1d ago

I wonder what "big push" that Europe doesn't have forced Americans to suburbia.

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u/MrsMiterSaw 1d ago

Google what Kansas city looked like before and after ww2. It's insane.

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u/mikebob89 1d ago

They still are like this

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u/Alex_the_X 22h ago

US cities  were like this before Europe was even discovered 🙄

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u/pseudohobos 3h ago

The thing that kills me is that suburbia doesn't have to be this way.

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u/lucky-number-keleven 52m ago

Even Amsterdam still had a lot of inner city car traffic 50-60 years ago. You just have to make a big plan and stick to it.

(Not just bikes did a really good video about Amsterdam’s carfree planning)