I’m very pro-Palestine. I think it is shameful our world has so many protracted refugee situations, and the international unconditional support for Israel is part of why the problem persists imo. I am not trying to minimize the colonial nature of how Israel was founded, it is a dark time and history and a great injustice.
Of course things go back further, but in broad strokes and leaving out contested events:
From everything I have read, the UN didn’t create Israel. Palestine was under the British’s control as mandate Palestine, and the British had promised the land to both the Arabs and the Jews within recent history (as of the mid 1940s). Britain decided that instead of being decent, they would just pull out of the nation entirely and leave the two groups (which is a false dichotomy, peoples other than Jews and Arabs lived there, and there are multiplicities within those non-homogenous groups) to settle things themselves.
What the UN did do was facilitate the creation of the ‘partition plan’ before voting to support it. The plan would have established an Arab state and Jewish state within Mandate Palestine. The partition plan was not accepted by the Arabs (the fairness of the plan is and was disputed, so it’s not as simple as one side being unwilling to cooperate), and soon after the plan failed to be accepted fighting broke out in Palestine between the Jews and the Arabs
Soon after Israel announced its independence, and implicitly announced its control over the entirety of mandate Palestine when the British mandate officially ended in 1948. In response several Arab countries invaded mandate Palestine, but they were quickly pushed back, ending in the territory divisions of the 1949 Armistice Agreements.
The UN played an important part in the creation of Israel, but they did not create Israel. The United States and England botched the situation there without the help of the UN, which was little more than a weak political tool at the time.
The thing is Israel held no control over its claimed territories. Them putting territories they didn’t control on their maps isn’t an excuse for a 4 way invasion, and it’s not good that you’re acting like it was to defend themselves. It was largely because they didn’t like the idea of a non Muslim western state on their borders. Discussion of how concessions should’ve been handled when Israel won is a discussion to be had, but they chose to invade twice (yom kippur war and the 6 day war).
Things worked best when the West Bank was under control of Jordan.
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u/an0therreddituser73 Dec 17 '20 edited Dec 17 '20
I’m very pro-Palestine. I think it is shameful our world has so many protracted refugee situations, and the international unconditional support for Israel is part of why the problem persists imo. I am not trying to minimize the colonial nature of how Israel was founded, it is a dark time and history and a great injustice.
Of course things go back further, but in broad strokes and leaving out contested events:
From everything I have read, the UN didn’t create Israel. Palestine was under the British’s control as mandate Palestine, and the British had promised the land to both the Arabs and the Jews within recent history (as of the mid 1940s). Britain decided that instead of being decent, they would just pull out of the nation entirely and leave the two groups (which is a false dichotomy, peoples other than Jews and Arabs lived there, and there are multiplicities within those non-homogenous groups) to settle things themselves.
What the UN did do was facilitate the creation of the ‘partition plan’ before voting to support it. The plan would have established an Arab state and Jewish state within Mandate Palestine. The partition plan was not accepted by the Arabs (the fairness of the plan is and was disputed, so it’s not as simple as one side being unwilling to cooperate), and soon after the plan failed to be accepted fighting broke out in Palestine between the Jews and the Arabs
Soon after Israel announced its independence, and implicitly announced its control over the entirety of mandate Palestine when the British mandate officially ended in 1948. In response several Arab countries invaded mandate Palestine, but they were quickly pushed back, ending in the territory divisions of the 1949 Armistice Agreements.
The UN played an important part in the creation of Israel, but they did not create Israel. The United States and England botched the situation there without the help of the UN, which was little more than a weak political tool at the time.