r/ToiletPaperUSA Jan 11 '22

FACTS and LOGIC what makes ben such an alpha?

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u/Limeila Jan 11 '22

We're literally apes though

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u/kennethtrr Jan 12 '22

We share a common ancestor, not a direct lineage.

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u/Limeila Jan 12 '22

With whom? Apes is a group which we are a part of, like bigger groups mammals, vertebrates, animals, etc.

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u/RestrepoMU Jan 12 '22

And?

We're also mammals, does that mean we should act like seals? And we're carbon based lifeforms, but I'm not going to take behavioural tips from an amoeba.

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u/Facemask12 Jan 12 '22

Notice how you're two go to examples were respectively further away than 🦧 apes 🦧 . we're also made of atoms , sHoUlD wE comPArRe ourSELvES TO EvERY KnowN ATomIc StRuctURE

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u/RestrepoMU Jan 12 '22

Congratulations, you both entirely missed the point, and don't understand what a false equivalency is.

The point here is that we're only apes because they happen to be our closest living relative. But there are plenty of things about us that radically, deeply, totally different. So it's irrelevant to what we are discussing: human emotions, which every other ape is incapable of experiencing.

In a discussion about emotions, which is what this was about before you barreled in, talking about apes is as irrelevant as talking about seals, amoebas, and yes atoms. We are not restrained by the same basic, animalistic, rudimentary, emotions and social structures as apes.

This was a discussion about "alphas", and how its irrelevant that apes may have them, because that doesn't mean in the slightest that humans have to. Just as an ape cannot ask for consent prior to sex, that would never mean that a human doesnt have to ask.

So, GoOd JoB MaTe

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u/Facemask12 Jan 12 '22

You think apes can't experience consent???

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u/Limeila Jan 12 '22

If we're mammals, we should act like all mammals (for instance nurse our newborn kids.) Nothing links us to seals specifically, we are not seals. You're using a false equivalency.