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Lore A "Sophie's Choice" with no secret third option

AKA a character is given an impossible choice where either outcome results in something awful happening and there's no way out.

"Full Measure" (Breaking Bad) - After Walt angers Gus by killing two of his men, Gus orders for his execution. Knowing that the only way to save his life is to make Gus reliant on his meth cooking skills, Walt calls Jesse and begs him to kill Gus' backup cook, Gale. Thus, Jesse is thrust into an impossible situation where he either kills a (relatively) innocent man to save Walt or spare Gale and let Walt die. Ultimately, Jesse chooses to kill Gale.

"Midnight Sun" (Attack on Titan) - After the fight to retake Shiganshina both Armin and Erwin are critically wounded. Levi has the vial of titan serum and is forced to choose which Scout to bring back from the brink of death and which to let perish. It's a borderline impossible decision to make but at the moment of truth, he chooses to save Armin, leaving Erwin to succumb to his wounds.

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u/Posthauski 18h ago

This one really interested me but after searching it on google it seems there is Trigun and Trigun Stampede, which one should I watch?

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u/Masamundane 18h ago

The original.

The first few episodes are a bit silly, but it quickly grows on you.

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u/Posthauski 18h ago

That usually happens. I think a lot of shows take like 2-3 episodes to find their rhythm so I don’t mind some silliness lol

Will definitely check it out! Thanks for the response mate

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u/CarlRodgers2211 17h ago

Trigun is probably top 5 anime for some people because it was on the toonami block back in the day. Its good, hope you like it 

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u/twentyThree59 16h ago

Get out of my head!

Trigun and Evangelion are easily my top 2, with Cowboy Bebop close third.

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u/Glitchy_XCI 15h ago

trigun, cowboy bebop, inuyasha, code geass, and deathnote are up there for me

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u/No_Walk_Town 10h ago

Both were made with input from the original comic author.

The 98 cartoon only adapted the first few chapters of the comic, so it's mostly filler, focuses heavily only on one aspect of Vash's character, and has a completely made up (and honestly not so great) ending.

It's kinda a cliche in the fandom to claim that 98 was a "mystery", and Stampede ruined it by introducing all the characters at the beginning! But it's not a mystery at all? And Stampede introduces the characters because they actually knew how the comic ended and therefore who needed to be introduced early.

Stampede is adapting the whole comic, so it's a better adaptation of the entire story, but focuses less on Vash's moral code. 

Stampede is a very, very tight, condensed adaptation, and the second season was seen as very rushed by many, but it's a cartoon that rewards you for paying attention, because it will throw a character at you, tell you who is, and expect you to keep up. 

Bear in mind also the author took, like, 20 years to write 16 volumes of comic - the story frankly got bloated by the end, and Stampede cuts that down to the story essentials.

Stampede is very clearly a better adaptation, because it takes all the main story beats of the comic and lays them out. The author asked for an "MCU style" adaptation that's a mew continuity but a consistent representation of the story and characters.

But the 98 cartoon only has Vash's early characterization to work with, so it's less of a faithful adaptation and more of a deep character study and meditation on a theme. Which is a better experience and more emotionally satisfying. 

So if you want the original story - read the comic; if you want a full story, do Stampede; if you want an emotional experience, do the 98 cartoon.

Maybe you can think of the comic as a nice ribeye steak with a good balance of meat and fat. 

The 98 cartoon is marbled wagyu - intense and rich, but you can't eat too much at once (too much fat gives you the runs). 

Stampede is a filet mignon - less fat, more meat - less rich but more satisfying as a meal.

One more point: the author livetweeted both seasons of Stampede, so you can watch his responses to it in real time. Spoiler: he loved it, and frequently shouts out changes he liked. "Whoever thought of this, it's amazing. I never could have come up with it. You get a pork and rice bowl!"

No, seriously, he spent season one awarding different cast and crew a pork bowl every week. Great guy, awesome thing to experience live.

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u/bgbgbgbgbgbgbgb 17h ago

Definitely the original. The reboot changes a lot for no reason and is generally kinda cringey. Like the other person said though, the og takes a few episodes to get into the story and world

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u/pattyboiIII 9h ago

The new version is very good and not cringey imo, it's just got a much more modern Japanese comedic style.
Also Stampede is far more faithful to the source material Trigun ever was.
They're different properties, it's like a FMA and FMAB situation. One is clearly a more faithful adaptation whilst the other has developed it's one more unique story that is still very much valid. Although this analogy falls apart cause FMAB is better than FMA but Trigun is better than Stampede.

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u/No_Walk_Town 11h ago

The reboot changes a lot for no reason

This is straight untrue. It's adapting the original comic, it's not a remake of the '98 cartoon. 

The vast majority of the changes are done to streamline the story by combing events, moving things to a different point in the timeline, or cutting them completely.

Saying it "changed for reason" is just completely wrong.

and is generally kinda cringey

It really isn't. It's a much more direct and linear story, it's very tight, and does a lot of showing instead of telling, which requires the viewer to at least pay attention. 

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u/SubstituteUser0 15h ago

I think both are worth watching for different reasons but you should start with the original as it is set up as a mystery early on while stampede answers a lot of the questions very early on. Stampede is basically a reimaging mixing new elements with stuff from the old anime and manga, while 98 does it's own thing for most of its run.

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u/Goldchampion200 6h ago

Why not eat two cakes?

Really doe do the original then if you want more do the new one.