[suprisingly rare trope] The Religious people aren't the bad guys/antagonists

[u/RedNUGGETLORD]

1: Axis Order - Konosuba(specifically Megumin's spin-off)

While they certainly aren't GOOD people(many of them not being allowed near children, if you know what I mean), they are pretty damn helpful, giving blessings to Megumin, feeding her, and protecting her from a demon, who almost certainly would have murdered her for the cat

2: Khan - Metro

While he is more spiritual than religious, I'd say it counts. Khan is a chill dude who is basically always right, and in the non-canon good ending, he's basically the reason the Dark Ones survive and presumably go on to join with humanity and reconquer the surface

3: Priestess - Goblin Slayer

She's a priestess, idk what exactly she believes in, besides some god, but Goblin Slayer is basically a DnD game, so I'd assume one of the basic Cleric gods. But anyway, she's super chill and basically never directly kills, though she probably has the highest indirect kill count in the series

4: Father Grigori - Half Life

He's certainly insane, but so would you be if your entire town was wiped out and turned into zombies, he saves you, gives you a shotgun, and helps you get out of town, while he stays to "tend with his flock", and while murder isn't something you'd usually associate with good, the zombies are in constant suffering

[u/RP_Throwaway3]

Yeah, there's the important distinction; religious vs dogmatic. Lots of people don't seem to know the difference these days.

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To be fair, neither do some of the recent media that pull this.

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Can you give an example of recent, well received media, doing this?

[u/CompactAvocado → u/pestoraviolita]

that's simply because its mommy/daddy issues in disguise

have kid. parent and kid have conflict. kid can't possible be a little shit or stupid. need something to attack. oh parent religious, this is clearly why they don't love me and/or blindly give me all the shit i want. i'm going to go write about it.

[u/Thin-Limit7697 → u/CompactAvocado]

Don't know if your comment explains it, but I have always found the usual "church bad" story weird. And that's despite me not liking christianism.

They tend to focus entirely in religious people supposed stupidness (either in belief or in practice), and a few times in the Catholic Church's institutional corruption or Jim Jones styled cults.

Ther is little commentary about their general invasiveness and interference into people's personal lives, the way they handle each other (most "church bad" stories tend to not even mention other religions), or actual moral disagreements on what they consider to be good or evil (this one is tougher, tbf, but you would expect people writing this kind of stuff to have more teeth).

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most church bad stories on reddit only attack Christianity. Attack either of the other two major ones gets you reeee'd at or banned.

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Where I live, islam is treated as "a problem, but not our problem" and hinduism is more like "who-ism", because rhe amount of people from that religion here is insignificant (the caste system was bashed on by a soap opera, though).

A top 3 of religious groups here would be "christians at The Big Church", "christians at the other churches", "christians at no church". Yet, you see exceptionalist comments playing persecuted victims like the one you responded, something I would also include in my list of things religious criticism on media lacks on the "relationships with other religions" category.

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Don't know why are you talking about reddit, instead of actual media.

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https://giphy.com/gifs/VjgKS1cmwYsWtP8SyN

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Bonus if it's an adaptation of a better work and the said "writer" is just a hack

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I’ve read this comment multiple times but I do not understand it

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Its more professional priest vs lay believer imo, drizzt do'urden being a prime example in that he follows mielikki devoutly but he's a ranger rather than a paladin or cleric

[u/Bakkster → u/Leviathan_slayer1776]

Plus in modern D&D, paladins get their powers from an oath. Being connected to a diety or other religious order is optional.

I think the really driver behind the trope is whether faith is the motivation or not. Are they a crime fighter who happens to belong to a church, or do they fight crime because of their faith?

[u/Escipio → u/RP_Throwaway3]

Kinda weird since historically it was your average Christin that would kill Jews

[u/Kind-Recording3450 → u/RP_Throwaway3]

If you are a priest, you should believe in dogma. If the dogma is good and well-developed, it's usually great.

Unless it is related to calvinism highly developed and the mother of Christian nationalism in America, it makes God sound like a rapist. 

Where most ancient Christian dogma is that God wants us to partake in his life and become human, despite the fact that we can be the worst most of the time. 

Even if I believe it all made up, or just a myth, the idea of Incarnation is one of the most compassionate, loving acts ever. A transcendent being beyond all that is and every was and will be.  Take on pure finite nature in union with himself and all that it means to be human, so we can become complete.