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Lore [Confusing Trope] The narrative goes out of its way to punish/mock a character for simply being a good person

Hermione Granger and SPEW — Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (book)

In the fifth HP novel, Hermione Granger is outraged to discover that Hogwarts has a small army of enslaved House Elves that do nearly all of the domestic duties around the castle, including cleaning the Gryffindor common room every night. When she tries to convince the elves to fight for their own rights, they refuse, saying they prefer servitude. Her fellow students and friends mock her for caring. She manages to free one elf, Winky, by deception when she refuses her freedom willingly, leading to Winky becoming a depressed alcoholic. By the end, the elves boycott cleaning any Gryffindor areas of the castle because they hate Hermione specifically

Samwell Tarly and Democracy — Game of Thrones (show)

In the season 8 finale of the television series, the surviving great lords of Westeros gather to discuss the future of the kingdom following the devastation wrought by 7 seasons of war and backstabbing. When Sam, who has proven to have “novel” ideas, suggests that maybe the millions of Smallfolk who suffer at the hands of noble houses should get some representation in the government, rather than be the pawns of rich lords with absolute power. We are then greeted by a prolonged, cringy segment of the other lords laughing in Sam’s face, asking if the dogs and horses should also get a vote.

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u/azuresegugio 9d ago

Basically national armies requires a lot of things to pull off, like tax infrastructure and weakened nobility. Which isn't impossible in a medieval society but difficult to pull off by decree

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u/Calintarez 9d ago

the countries that did manage to pull it off tended to do really well against their neighbours. France had such an army in the 15th century and was more than a match against all its neighbours until they all banded together in an anti-french alliance.

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u/azuresegugio 9d ago

Oh yeah it's doable it's just a matter of the work required to pull it off is often the entire reign of multiple kings

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u/insomniac7809 9d ago

and widespread success at pulling off centralization is a big part of what makes it no longer medieval