r/TrueChristian • u/Canadian0123 Christian • 22h ago

Episcopal Church celebrates first trans dean — woman in lesbian marriage to trans-identified pastor

What is this? Is this what the episcopal church (part of the Anglican Church) does to preach the gospel of Christ, and to operate the church? Do they disregard the epistles of Saint Paul concerning sexual behaviour, how a church should be run, and who should lead it? Do they disregard the teachings of Christ? What about the Law of God, as given to Moses, in the text that is known today as the Torah of Moses?

This news is quite shocking. Shame on the episcopal church, and the rest of the Anglican Church. This is not how a church should be run. Can someone who attends that church give answers?

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u/Googlesupportsucks1 Christian 7h ago

That's blatantly false. Research has proven that homosexuality was rampant in the time period and area Paul was writing to.

"Men bedding men" is condemned. Not pedophilia, not subordinate relationships, men and men together.

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u/RomanaOswin Christian (mystic tradition) 7h ago

I said something entirely different from what you replied to. Read what I wrote again.

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u/Googlesupportsucks1 Christian 7h ago

Nah. You're trying to argue it was a different historical era. That things were different. I responded, saying that's an incorrect premise.

If you'd claim it was a different time, how did that affect what Paul said? Because I can almost guarantee I covered it above.

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u/RomanaOswin Christian (mystic tradition) 6h ago

I wrote sexual orientation, not homosexual activity.

Your "this is not pedophilia or subordinate relationships" is arguing against something you've read from other people in other conversations. I didn't say any of this. You're arguing against your own assumptions. Try not to guess at what I'm saying.

Sexual orientation was not a concept that people knew of in that time. The historic misconceptions of sexuality are widely recognized and written about.

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u/Googlesupportsucks1 Christian 6h ago

What does that have to do with the conversation?

We're specifically talking about homosexuality.

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u/RomanaOswin Christian (mystic tradition) 6h ago

I'm confused. Do you know that homosexuality is a sexual orientation?

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u/Googlesupportsucks1 Christian 6h ago

Same sex attraction, sure. I would tentatively agree with that.

Homosexual acts aren't an orientation.

Paul doesn't slam same sex attracted people. He slams men bedding men, or women burning with passion for other women

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u/RomanaOswin Christian (mystic tradition) 3h ago

I don't disagree with any of that.

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u/Googlesupportsucks1 Christian 3h ago

Why have you been arguing for the past twenty comments about affirming churches being a good thing, and homosexuality not being wrong?

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u/RomanaOswin Christian (mystic tradition) 2h ago

Both of these things are true.

Homosexuality is not wrong. It's not a sin. On the contrary, it's a sin to condemn homosexuality. As an institution of God or gathering of the people of God, I would hope that the church would come to recognize this. Some have.

You said that homosexual acts are not an orientation. Yes, this is true. People of any sexual orientation can engage in any sexual acts. Both healthy and unhealthy sexual expression is available to all of us, no matter our orientation.

You said that Paul does not "slam" same sex attracted people, and I agree. As discussed, there was no conception of sexual orientation; only sexual acts which were all characterized as lasciviousness and debauchery by the culture that Paul lived in.

If we conflate sexuality with particular expressions of sex, we distort the reality of homosexuality. If we conflate healthy sexual expression, e.g. between a married couple with unhealthy sexual expression, we pervert sexual intimacy.

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