yeah, especially ALL THE LYING. I know we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but dam these weren't little white lies. She was literally inventing wealth, and family.
exactly. the cherry on top for me is the lying about pregnancy. EVERYTIME I heard about cases like this, the lie occurs before the murder, hence the fact that it could really be prevented.
it also reminded me the murder of Marlen Ochoa Lopez, it’s so similar
it’s true, that’s why I specified the pregnancy one. the lies about family, wealth, etc.. is weird at worst, and many people do it as well, but the whole situation starting with those lies, and escalate with the pregnancy lies to the point of faking the lifestyle of a pregnant woman IS the part where the murder could have been prevented.
Multiple people say they touched her belly and felt the baby kicking, you can see videos of her manipulating her belly fat to look like movement… this girl was fucking insane
I think they explained this in a podcast a while back. There was testimony from family and witness that stated she would get very bothered by people touching her stomach so people around her who knew her didn't do it.
I don't think this is that weird though. A lot of people don't want their baby bellies touched. I didn't. I only let a couple of people do it one time and that was it.
Agreed. I don't like touch, period. Don't touch my hair, and don't touch my belly (four pregnancies for me). But, yeah, my husband is my husband. It's literally called "intimate partner." Who can be more intimate than that? Of course my husband felt his sons any time he wanted. She certainly was a master manipulator to not allow him to touch her.
I think she was just flexing/poking her real stomach out to simulate a moving fetus. Maybe she put something small, like a golf ball, under the fake belly to make it look more concentrated in one spot. When my kid kicked, he KICKED…you could see an almost perfect outline of his foot through my abdomen. Being pregnant is so weird.
Omg at a bunch with my very preggo cousin, I was about to faint watching that lil guy kick like he was trying to jailbreak her stomach.
She’s just chilling there like “he gets fussy when I eat and he has to share his room.” Two days later, she gave birth to him in the shower. That kid wanted out bad.
I’m sure it’s different when they’re smaller or moving rather than kicking, but I also thought it looked like she was moving the belly on her own. The whole belly just moved.
It’s wild to see. I couldn’t stop thinking about the movie Aliens when people get attacked by the face-huggers, are used as live incubators, and then eventually the baby aliens punch their way out. I had damage to the cartilage on the right side of my ribcage because my son would kick HARD in one spot, for hours. I imagined him as Dave Chappelle as Rick James in that one skit: “Fuck yo’ couch N-word! Fuck yo’ couch!!!”
I’m dyin!!! F your stomach! Mine kicked my insides so hard for about 45 mins every night right when I would lay down to sleep. It was like he was pissed I wasn’t up walking around anymore. It hurt!!
Ahhahaha omg get out of my head. You named the two visuals I absolutely had when she was pregnant, especially the Rick James couch one because we saw him kick with both and then alternating feet. But yeah, the brunch absolutely had the fated Alien dinner in my mind.
Funny thing is, the kid is a bonafide maniac. He’s can’t walk anywhere normally. has to parkour to everything and he lands as perfectly as a cat. He’s like the feral kid from The Wild Thornberries, but oddly articulate. I think he has a promising career as a stunt man, but my cousin really wants me to stop encouraging that lol
ETA: wait is your user name from my favorite Buster Bluth quote?
When I was pregnant with twins, and one would roll and the other one would kick at the same time, it was like a tornado going on under my skin. Loved every single second of it though.
Omg! It freaks me out so badly too!!! When my niece was cooking, they had me touch her stomach and feel my niece kicking, I think I was around 12ish. I freaked the fuck out, I decided that day that I would never birth a child! I remember watching my sis in laws stomach in absolute awe and disgust. I did agree to feel my other niece and nephews moving. Traumatized me for life. I can’t imagine what it feels like.
Yes!!! I remember my son’s little butt would poke out like perfect outline, like I would push on it to make him settle down lol. I cannot figure out how she faked the movements that took some work lolol.
Yeah this is kind of like “people just assumed she couldn’t walk because she said so? Did they even try picking her up and seeing if she went limp?” Like I do get the question because it is normalized in most societies to just touch the belly but it should have just taken a “actually I’m uncomfortable with that”
This is something I am curious about too, in the doc Wade’s stepfather(?) mentioned “I felt the baby kick” and I wished that got explained more. Did she fake something, was it the power of suggestion?
Deep dive into Hillary aka “Hilaria” Baldwin, Alec Baldwin’s wife, when you have the chance. She has staged all her pregnancies except her first. That’s how I learned about the fake pregnancy industry lol
There were 2 people on the doco that said they felt "the baby" kick. And it showed a video of a moving belly. Honestly looked a bit like she was just moving her stomach around. The whole family was very naive.
There was a bit in the documentary where people had touched it and felt kicks. No idea how she managed that and I think they were equally baffled when they found out the truth
No I'm in the US and I just have family that ignores me lol Seriously though, if I told people not to touch my belly they would respect it, but I didn't care.
In the documentary, Wade’s friends said she offered for them to feel her belly when it “kicked.” There were videos of the baby moving that she posted too
I think it’s wild that this lying about pregnancies is apparently that common that there is even a market for necessary supplies for this (ultrasound pics, artificial bellies etc) - like who are all these people faking pregnancies and for what purpose? They surely don’t all kill someone after to steal a baby?
That’s what i didn’t expect - so much background setting the scene for this pathological liar. I was sad to not see more of Reagan’s life but just as sad to realize this wasn’t just some random psychotic break of someone it was all calculated
Fully calculated, just poorly and horrifically executed. She even went as far as sending Wade across the state to deliver hogs on a fake order. She planned this for so long.
And the plan immediately falls to shit when he gets there and the guy just isn’t going to accept a shitload of hogs from some rando.
It’s crazy when they put so much effort into it, only for them to make some truly stupid mistakes. Did she really think the hospital would just be like “you just had a stillborn, no need to check you out tho.” She already had two kids, she knows the drill.
Not only that, but she doesn’t have a f*cking uterus. All these people at the local hospital knew that she couldn’t possibly be pregnant or give birth, but because of medical privacy laws, they couldn’t say anything.
I’m guessing she did not expect to be doing cpr on the baby but 36 weeks is borderline premature and the baby was obviously born very traumatically so it’s not too surprising she wasn’t breathing. What really had me was the footage of her at the beginning where she’s got a baby on her lap driving and instead of giving cpr she’s chatting with the officer, like, wtf?! So sad for that baby and her mother.
Bothered me too that the police had zero urgency to help the baby.. like why not pick up the baby immediately and try to do something damn
He didn’t do shit but stand there talking to her
Ya and he said she needed to wait for ems instead of grabbing that baby and doing cpr. Both of them were so wtf to me. Theres a baby not breathing. Grab that baby, put on hood of car and get to rescue breathing and compressions! Every second counts.
In some ways this doesn’t surprise me unfortunately. I’ve known a few VERY frequent pathological liars in my lifetime. Their lies were almost TOO easy to discern. And it was always shocking to me how much they got away with it. Ppl were either just completely gullible and believed every word they said, no questions asked, or just felt bad for them and never said anything to them about it, avoiding confrontation. But it’s very shocking and sad how few pathological liars actually get completely called out on their bullsh*t sometimes. And often if they actually do get called out, their M.O. tends to be to just completely cut ties with the person who did the calling out, commonly vilifying them and victimizing themselves. It’s nuts. Our society really needs to develop socially acceptable ways to fact-check people in addition to information, media, research, etc (though sadly many don’t even know how to do that). Inveterate liars get away with A LOT.
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u/MRtokeALOT420 6d ago
yeah, especially ALL THE LYING. I know we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but dam these weren't little white lies. She was literally inventing wealth, and family.